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We, at OCN, are in a rush of Nvidia vs AMD these days. rolleyes.gif

(I still like you Alatar) wink.gif
I see what you did there.... tongue.gif
post #42 of 156
I think a better question would be "Is AMD catching up to nVidia?"

And the answer would be yes, yes they are biggrin.gif

Performance - this is the first gen for a while where the performance is so close that it really comes down to game, benchmark, setup and driver to decide between them, there is no clear winner at the top end (7970GHz / 680 / 7950 Boost / 670). Hence the reason for such vehement arguments.

Drivers - Are a lot better than they were 3 years ago where all the horror stories come from. Both sides have issues with drivers, for example there was the micro stuttery mess that was 12.11 (now mostly fixed), and then there were nVidia's drivers which caused cards to overheat and burn... Bottom line, AMD have stepped things up in terms of drivers, have admitted that there are still issues and are working on fixing them.

Price / performance - This has always been AMDs game, and they are holding on to that whilst still competing on performance. Bonus. nVidia seems to be catching up at the lower end too with their Ti cards.



End of the day, both are very much viable options unless you have specific requirements (CUDA or, this gen, high compute performance).

Who wins? We do thumb.gif

Oh, and the arguments are entertaining too.
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post #43 of 156
The people at NVIDIA need to do something about the pricing of their high-end cards. AMD offers similar performance to the 680 for $100 less, plus a free game bundle.
post #44 of 156
Not to jump into this exciting flame war, but here are my thoughts from a business perspective:
I think that Nvidia smells blood, and its going for the jugular in its competition with AMD for this market segment; Titan momentum, price decreases (just from what I read here) on certain products, more frequent driver improvements. All these point to a market share capture strategy at time when AMD is struggling with some financial woes. If successful, Nvidia will further strain the cash resources of an already financially distressed company due to its declining revenues. What do distressed companies do when they find themselves against a well capitalized 800 pound gorilla in the face of a price war? It further cuts prices, and reduces any discretionary expenditure on R&D and new product development, thereby further damaging the long term business model that it worked hard to build.
My guess is that AMD's shareholders and lenders will force the company to sell off various business lines to other strategic buyers, while keeping its focus on its cash cow business lines of console partners, where it clearly has an edge over Nvidia.

Competition is good for all of us as consumers, and sure hope that AMD continues to thrive as a viable competitor to Nvidia. I would hate to be paying monopolistic premium for future cards.

I share the above purely for speculation and entertainment value.
Edited by armando666 - 3/26/13 at 4:24pm
post #45 of 156
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Originally Posted by armando666 View Post

Not to jump into this exciting flame war, but here are my thoughts from a business perspective:
I think that Nvidia smells blood, and its going for the jugular in its competition with AMD for this market segment; Titan momentum, price decreases (just from what I read here) on certain products, more frequent driver improvements. All these point to a market share capture strategy at time when AMD is struggling with some financial woes. If successful, Nvidia will further strain the cash resources of an already financially distressed company due to its declining revenues. What do distressed companies do when they find themselves against a well capitalized 800 pound gorilla in the face of a price war? It further cuts prices, and reduces any discretionary expenditure on R&D and new product development, thereby further damaging the long term business model that it worked hard to build.
My guess is that AMD's shareholders and lenders will force the company to sell off various business lines to other strategic buyers, while keeping its focus on its cash cow business lines of console partners, where it clearly has an edge over Nvidia.

Competition is good for all of us as consumers, and sure hope that AMD continues to thrive as a viable competitor to Nvidia. I would hate to be paying monopolistic premium for future cards.

I share the above purely for speculation and entertainment value.

Agreed. We should make a large stocks of Radeon 7970's and 7990's...
post #46 of 156
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Originally Posted by AndyM95 View Post

Agreed, Nvidia is still the leading GPU manufacturer by a long way. They control 61% of the gaming enthusiast GPU market while AMD only have 39%, I'm assuming if you look into the regular consumer market you'll find Nvidia lead by even more because most prebuilt systems will come with Nvidia over AMD. Nvidia have the brand name, most people I know who know very little about computers think Nvidia are the best and AMD aren't even worth looking at. This generation was a flop for Nvidia because they got 'cocky' and released GK104 thinking it could compete with AMD which is kinda could but did fall behind performance wise, it made them a butt load of cash though which I hope they'll use to make the next generation amazing.
EDIT: This thread should be closed before the storm comes tongue.gif

this is the situation at the end of last year (Q4) wink.gif


problems are on both sides ...i think that Nvidia is on top because it offers an excellent support service
recent examples: tomb raider and the issue of downclocking on titan cards
a common user has reported the problem on the forum ...nvidia replied quickly for solve it

on the other side... the problem of latency and microstuttering has been discussed for years ... people have reported problems a lot of times in various situations
AMD moves the ass when Techreport and consequently all other sites show it... not before! is necessary to threaten their interests, the customer has no voice.
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post #47 of 156
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The people at NVIDIA need to do something about the pricing of their high-end cards. AMD offers similar performance to the 680 for $100 less, plus a free game bundle.

Yeah, if the product is selling well, drop the price for less profit.

Hope to god you don't ever run a business.
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Did you just attempt to compare a $3400 card to a $1000 card?

Not to mention the Titan has .5 higher teraflop single precision computing power, and .4 teraflops higher double precision computing power.
And i've seen a video of a Titan overclocked, and reaching 2 teraflops of double precision, compared to the .998 from the w9000.

Edit ~ Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA3Aw_CzlKs

The W9000 isn't even close considering it's a HD7970GE 6GB. If you looked at the silicon you would know that.

AMD doesn't have an answer to GK110, just like they don't have an answer to Intel's i7 hyperthreaded hexcores (i7 Extreme). That's the reason why consumers are getting shafted left and right .

Nvidia is just taking a page from Intel:Intel® Core™ i7-3960X Processor Extreme Edition (15M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz) TRAY: $999.00
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post #49 of 156
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The W9000 isn't even close considering it's a HD7970GE 6GB. If you looked at the silicon you would know that.

AMD doesn't have an answer to GK110, just like they don't have an answer to Intel's i7 hyperthreaded hexcores (i7 Extreme). That's the reason why consumers are getting shafted left and right .

Nvidia is just taking a page from Intel:Intel® Core™ i7-3960X Processor Extreme Edition (15M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz) TRAY: $999.00
What was the point to this reply?

"The W9000 isn't even close considering it's a HD7970GE 6GB. If you looked at the silicon you would know that."

You must be directing that at the person I replied to..

"AMD doesn't have an answer to GK110, just like they don't have an answer to Intel's i7 hyperthreaded hexcores (i7 Extreme)."

Yes..

"Nvidia is just taking a page from Intel:Intel® Core™ i7-3960X Processor Extreme Edition (15M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz) TRAY: $999.00"

No.. A Titan to a GTX 680, would be like a 3930k to a 3570k.

Double the price, but not quite double the performance.
Edited by Traphix - 3/26/13 at 5:42pm
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post #50 of 156
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Originally Posted by armando666 View Post

Not to jump into this exciting flame war, but here are my thoughts from a business perspective:
I think that Nvidia smells blood, and its going for the jugular in its competition with AMD for this market segment; Titan momentum, price decreases (just from what I read here) on certain products, more frequent driver improvements. All these point to a market share capture strategy at time when AMD is struggling with some financial woes. If successful, Nvidia will further strain the cash resources of an already financially distressed company due to its declining revenues. What do distressed companies do when they find themselves against a well capitalized 800 pound gorilla in the face of a price war? It further cuts prices, and reduces any discretionary expenditure on R&D and new product development, thereby further damaging the long term business model that it worked hard to build.
My guess is that AMD's shareholders and lenders will force the company to sell off various business lines to other strategic buyers, while keeping its focus on its cash cow business lines of console partners, where it clearly has an edge over Nvidia.

Competition is good for all of us as consumers, and sure hope that AMD continues to thrive as a viable competitor to Nvidia. I would hate to be paying monopolistic premium for future cards.

I share the above purely for speculation and entertainment value.

I would agree with the premise but not the direction you took. nVidia is scared of blood in the water with the lose of all three next gen platforms. Trust me AMD will make more money from those platform contracts than from their discrete GPU card sales. This also creates a reverse issue for nVidia. Developers are looking to cut development cost and we see a lot of games today that are basically the same game at the core on console and PC. Now add to this the fact that the console games can use the same basic graphic tweaks as the PC for the AMD based graphics and you can see NVidia might be concerned about the future when it comes to gaming.

Proof of this was at the beginning of this month when nVidia for the first time has inked an agreement to allow a none nVidia based GPU solution to use CUDA based assets, ie PhysX. This is something nVidia has denied would ever happen for some time and suddenly they make it happen by their own efforts, not being asked ( I am hearing they approached Sony for this) Now why fight for years to keep your tech proprietary and suddenly seek to get it out on the competitions product? This has the potential to be a PR nightmare.

Now lets talk about Titan for a minute. Titan is over priced to the point of crazy and nVidia knows it. In fact my I have heard they produced a very limited number of these chips for consumer because they knew it would not sell in mass at the asking price. Now we all know it could be sold for less so why put it out there? Well it was in my opinion a jump to grab some press and that was all. Look at the press leading up, dispite having newer cards on the market nVidia was not getting any real aggressive press, their cards where running equal, no clear winner. nVidia was concerned about going a long press cycle with nothing out there so they put out a proof of concept card.

Now lets look at Boost, a card they rushed out ahead of their planned release to go against the 7790 and now I am hearing is actually coming in about $45 under the price point they had originally wanted to put it at. They had to cut the cost to stay relevant for the market and in the process will have to cut the cost on the 650, 650Ti and based on the numbers even cut to some extend on the 660. nVidia historically does not cut costs, especially on release or this early in a cycle. What has forced them to act so out of character.

With this information in hand my gut reaction is nVidia is concerned about something and is playing their hand hard and fast to try to get out in front of whatever has them concerned.
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