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AMD is always cheaper than intel/nvidia because their products are well... not as good. To stay in the market and sell products they make them cheap.
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post #82 of 156
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AMD is always cheaper than intel/nvidia because their products are well... not as good. To stay in the market and sell products they make them cheap.

i thought you have a x79 and a titan or two in your sig. i was going to say you have a point.
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post #83 of 156
I think whats happening is AMDs cards are finally performing like they should have at launch. I know GCN is the first new Architecture in a long time and only now are AMD getting a hold of how to use it. It's clear that the 7970 and 7950 have better hardware than the Nvidia cards but Nvidia had much better drivers for the 6XX series because Kelper is just a cut down and refined version of fermi and they had 2 years to gain an understanding on how to create good drivers for it through experience with the GTX4XX line and GTX5XX line. The 7XXX launch was a mess in comparison because AMD were not so fortunate.

This is why the 6XX series hasn't gained as much performance as the 7XXX series has in their current drivers compared to their release drivers. Now the 7970GHz normally leads the pack in alot of reviews making quick work of the 680, a card which dominated it for the better part of 2012.

We shall see what the next gen GPUs offer but for now, i think the 7970 will remain superior to the 680 and only get better until their EOL.
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I think whats happening is AMDs cards are finally performing like they should have at launch. I know GCN is the first new Architecture in a long time and only now are AMD getting a hold of how to use it. It's clear that the 7970 and 7950 have better hardware than the Nvidia cards but Nvidia had much better drivers for the 6XX series because Kelper is just a cut down and refined version of fermi and they had 2 years to gain an understanding on how to create good drivers for it through experience with the GTX4XX line and GTX5XX line. The 7XXX launch was a mess in comparison because AMD were not so fortunate.

This is why the 6XX series hasn't gained as much performance as the 7XXX series has in their current drivers compared to their release drivers. Now the 7970GHz normally leads the pack in alot of reviews making quick work of the 680, a card which dominated it for the better part of 2012.

We shall see what the next gen GPUs offer but for now, i think the 7970 will remain superior to the 680 and only get better until their EOL.

In fact GTX 680 still dominates the original 7970 at below 2560 resolutions until you start to speculate on overclockability. It took not only some unbeforeseen driver progress, but also an let's-make-it-a-new-reference factory OC for the 7970 to get ahead of 680. Were these cards to be published now, as they are now, then sure the 680 should cost less, but the damage was done long before AMD got their Tahiti support in order.
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In fact GTX 680 still dominates the original 7970 at below 2560 resolutions until you start to speculate on overclockability. It took not only some unbeforeseen driver progress, but also an let's-make-it-a-new-reference factory OC for the 7970 to get ahead of 680. Were these cards to be published now, as they are now, then sure the 680 should cost less, but the damage was done long before AMD got their Tahiti support in order.
Not agreeable. What's wrong with a "GHz edition" Overclocked the 7970 goes ahead of a overclocked 680. The 680 is already sitting at 1.006GHz stock
And there's the fact that AMD is CHEAPER now. Not then, the pricing was ridiculous but they got the prices down recently and as far as i'm aware no Nvidia for me anymore wink.gif
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In fact GTX 680 still dominates the original 7970 at below 2560 resolutions until you start to speculate on overclockability. It took not only some unbeforeseen driver progress, but also an let's-make-it-a-new-reference factory OC for the 7970 to get ahead of 680. Were these cards to be published now, as they are now, then sure the 680 should cost less, but the damage was done long before AMD got their Tahiti support in order.
Why is okay for Nvidia to boost their cards but not AMD? In many reviews the 680 is running at much higher clocks than the 7970 does at its very conservative 925Mhz stock clock. AMD increases it to 1050Mhz and it beats out 680s that are still running at higher frequencies than it.

Nvidia's Boost was a cheap way to fool people into thinking the 680 performs better than it does at the clocks they claim the GPU is running at when in reality it runs at much higher clocks. The fact that a 925Mhz 7970 matches a 680 running well above 1Ghz is a testament to their power.
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post #87 of 156
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Why is okay for Nvidia to boost their cards but not AMD? In many reviews the 680 is running at much higher clocks than the 7970 does at its very conservative 925Mhz stock clock. AMD increases it to 1050Mhz and it beats out 680s that are still running at higher frequencies than it.

Nvidia's Boost was a cheap way to fool people into thinking the 680 performs better than it does at the clocks they claim the GPU is running at when in reality it runs at much higher clocks. The fact that a 925Mhz 7970 matches a 680 running well above 1Ghz is a testament to their power.
That was my point thumb.giftongue.gif
It's always Nvidia owners that think that AMD doing a "OC'd" edition is wrong but AMD owners never think it's wrong. That's why i'm still scared of Green team active players biggrin.gif
It wouldn't take long for Nvidia to launch a "boost" edition of the titan if AMD released the most epic FirePro card in the same way Nvidia did for themselves (Titan if you're wondering)
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I'm on the green team right now, but thats only because I got my 670 for $320 about 6 mths ago. I have no loyalty to these companies. Those with the better product tends to get my money, but If I can settle with something less powerful for a major price cut, then thats the route I'll take. thumb.gif
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And there's the fact that AMD is CHEAPER now. Not then, the pricing was ridiculous but they got the prices down recently and as far as i'm aware no Nvidia for me anymore wink.gif

If AMD's driver team had found 12.11 performance at launch do you really think prices would be as low now?
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If AMD's driver team had found 12.11 performance at launch do you really think prices would be as low now?
I didn't mention drivers. I was saying pricing was horrendous at launch and also because the performance at first was horrendous compared to what it is now
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