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I want to purchase this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231638

ram and place it underneath an NH-D14 noctua heatsink. This means I will not be able to use the additional cooling fan and also will have to remove the top heatspreader. Will the ram overheat if I do this? Also I currently have this ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233389 , will I see a performance difference in games or am I wasting my $$?

Thanks

Actually also just noticed this ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233259

are the lower timings more beneficial than the higher speed? How does that work out? Can you help me decide

1) Will I see a performance difference in gaming and regular desktop tasks with the two choices for ram upgrade?

2) Will the 2400mhz ram overheat without the fan and heatspreader?

3) Which ram upgrade would you pick? 1600MHz 7-8-8-24 vs. 2400mhz 9-11-11-31

4) Before you mention the 30nm samsung ram which I know is coming smile.gif I don't want to prime or have to do memory tests or overclocking anymore, I already spent time getting my chip 24 hour stable at 4.9 and want something I can just click XMP and go and if it doesn't work out return it.
post #2 of 32
1. You will see zero performance increase. 1600Mhz is the standard and the optimum
2. It might, but only if you have a low-airflow case. With an NH-D14, that problem is solved
3. 1600MHz 7-8-8-24. From what i've heard lower latency helps in games, but not by much.
4. .....but it's so good....

Just stick with your ram. It's not worth the $100. Buy a mech keyboard instead.
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I adamantly disagree with the above poster, in factI have been running tests, alongwwith another member, regarding the impact of memory speed on game performance. We have both reached the same results so far: higher speed memory has a very noticeable effect on the minimum framerate (it increases) but more importantly the higher speed memory, during times when the framerate does drop, results in less severe and much shorter length of time drops. In fact, I have done a number of runs where the frame time graph showed dips but I never even felt them happen, but with slower memory they were painfully obvious. (I test by actually playing, because pre-rendered loops don't have anywhere near as much of a difference due to the lack of dynamic AI; I do always play the same area and for the same time, trying to keep runs as identical as possible, and I use FRAPS to capture 5-10min chunks).

Put more succinctly, faster memory = MUCH smoother game play, fewer frame rate dips, less severe dips, and when you look at a frame time line graph it is extremely smooth with gentle ups and downs compared to slower memory; also, I have experienced about 1/4-1/10th the amount of "stutter" compared to slower RAM.

This is specifically between 2133 9-10-10-27 and 1600 7-8-7-24. The difference between 1600 7-8-7-24 and 2360 9-11-10-28 is even greater, much less 1600 9-9-9-24.

The idea that 1600 is as fast as memory needs to be for gaming is just plain wrong, and people need to stop spreading this misinformation that they have heard from others, who likely heard it from others. It's like a bad game of "telephone".
There is a reason that IVB has such a strong memory controller, and I highly advise you take advantage of it.

Plus, the cost difference is so small that I really don't understand why people who are putting together $1k+ rigs aren't willing to pay an extra $10 for one of the most critical components yet have no qualmsaabout paying $300-1000 for a video card? You need a solid foundation, and memory is a big part of it. Don't skimp, as I don't know a single person who has ever regretted getting faster RAM (except for everyone I know personally who has spent the money on the ridiculous and obvious cash grab that are Corsair Dominator Platinum kits, after they see my or other friends kits from GSkill and the like Overclock better for 1/2-1/4 the price; every single person, all 5, either sold or returned the memory for a far less expensive and better kit and used the difference either for a GPU upgrade/increase or to go custom liquid cooling).

Oh, and I should mention that the tests I've done have been with just one card (always with max settings), although the few I've done with SLI (2 and 3 way) have resulted in every aspect of performance increasing (including max fps, which is effectively unaffected with one GPU; I have seen gains of between 9 and 22 percent with 2 cards, and that's just a few of the many tests I do!). I would actually go so far as to say that fast system memory is a prerequisite for getting the most out of multiple GPU's!
   
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Originally Posted by chronicfx View Post

I want to purchase this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231638

ram and place it underneath an NH-D14 noctua heatsink. This means I will not be able to use the additional cooling fan and also will have to remove the top heatspreader. Will the ram overheat if I do this? Also I currently have this ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233389 , will I see a performance difference in games or am I wasting my $$?

Thanks

Actually also just noticed this ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233259

are the lower timings more beneficial than the higher speed? How does that work out? Can you help me decide

1) Will I see a performance difference in gaming and regular desktop tasks with the two choices for ram upgrade?

2) Will the 2400mhz ram overheat without the fan and heatspreader?

3) Which ram upgrade would you pick? 1600MHz 7-8-8-24 vs. 2400mhz 9-11-11-31

4) Before you mention the 30nm samsung ram which I know is coming smile.gif I don't want to prime or have to do memory tests or overclocking anymore, I already spent time getting my chip 24 hour stable at 4.9 and want something I can just click XMP and go and if it doesn't work out return it.
I don't think that Trident 2400 will work at that speed on your set up.
You usually need a 3770K and the extreme6 probably won't be good with 1.65v
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You can get the 2400mhz cl10-12-12-31 trident x for 74usd...Get that and call it a day. If you feel like overclocking you can probably get to 2666 or even 2800mhz with some luck.
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Not with a 3570K and that board you won't.
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Originally Posted by kpo6969 View Post

Not with a 3570K and that board you won't.

http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/4757942

lilchronic has the cl10 running fine on his extreme4 for several months now. What makes you say this?

http://wccftech.com/review/gskill-f32400c10d8gtx-tridentx-review-high-speed-masses/

even if above is the lamest review on the planet he does use an extreme6 in it paired with a 3770k. I have also heard that 3770k's have stronger imc but it may be more legend than fact.
Edited by chronicfx - 3/27/13 at 1:43am
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

You can get the 2400mhz cl10-12-12-31 trident x for 74usd...Get that and call it a day. If you feel like overclocking you can probably get to 2666 or even 2800mhz with some luck.

the cl9 is not much faster?
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Luck of the day that's for sure. I don't think TridentX sticks will fit under a NH-D14 and a extreme6 never means you will get extreme4 memory speeds and perhaps he was talking about 2666 and 2800. With a ASRock you probably won't be able to do 2666 or 2800

Cooling fans and "high performance heat spreaders" should have been dead and done since DDR3 came out. It's not like DDR3 spews out 5W per stick
A simple heatspreader should be all you need something like the ones on ARES sticks or HyperX Genesis sticks
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the cl9 is not much faster?

A bit faster, but you can tweak your way around it using memtweakit to compare scores fast from the Os.
Secondary and tertiary timings will make a big difference, xmp wise, the cl9 will be slightly faster though.
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Luck of the day that's for sure. I don't think TridentX sticks will fit under a NH-D14 and a extreme6 never means you will get extreme4 memory speeds and perhaps he was talking about 2666 and 2800. With a ASRock you probably won't be able to do 2666 or 2800

Cooling fans and "high performance heat spreaders" should have been dead and done since DDR3 came out. It's not like DDR3 spews out 5W per stick
A simple heatspreader should be all you need something like the ones on ARES sticks or HyperX Genesis sticks

The top fin is removable, and they fit under a d14 just fine...

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