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I want to mod my Antec Kuhler 620 to cool both a cpu and gpu. Will I need a reservoir or another pump?
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Originally Posted by Eudisld15 View Post

I want to mod my Antec Kuhler 620 to cool both a cpu and gpu. Will I need a reservoir or another pump?

A single unit for both a GPU and CPU? There's no way you'll ever get decent temps, get a custom setup.
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Can you share some insight as to why?
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Here's why a custom loop is better-
  • It gives you far more flexibility when it comes to chosing what you want for radiators, pumps, reservoirs, blocks, and fluids.
  • Looks often times far better.
  • Simply allows you to have more cooling power, 480mm of radiator space will give you far better cooling compared to 120mm of surface area.
  • There are a wider variety of brands available for custom water cooling than there are for the AIO units, plus if you mod the AIO units you'll void the warranty like no tomorrow and have to replace the whole unit, where as if you mod a radiator in a custom loop and something goes wrong, you only have to replace the radiator. It allows for more error if you're a first timer.
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Originally Posted by ledzepp3 View Post

Here's why a custom loop is better-
  • It gives you far more flexibility when it comes to chosing what you want for radiators, pumps, reservoirs, blocks, and fluids.
  • Looks often times far better.
  • Simply allows you to have more cooling power, 480mm of radiator space will give you far better cooling compared to 120mm of surface area.
  • There are a wider variety of brands available for custom water cooling than there are for the AIO units, plus if you mod the AIO units you'll void the warranty like no tomorrow and have to replace the whole unit, where as if you mod a radiator in a custom loop and something goes wrong, you only have to replace the radiator. It allows for more error if you're a first timer.

^ this

AIO units are inferior to custom watercooling loops in pretty much every way. The pump itself won't be able to provide good flow throughout the loop if you add anything else to the loop. A single 120mm radiator is not enough to effectively cool a CPU and a GPU. The tubing on most AIO units are limited to 1/4" ID. In the end it just aint worth it, if you want more cooling performance out of watercooling custom is the best and only way to go... something smells burned? OH GOD MY FOOD!
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Just to put it short, the performance and amount of options is at least 100X better with a custom kit smile.gif that's why I stay away from those AIO kits, besides I think the performance that you get for the money sucks on a high TDP processor rolleyes.gif
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^ this

AIO units are inferior to custom watercooling loops in pretty much every way. The pump itself won't be able to provide good flow throughout the loop if you add anything else to the loop. A single 120mm radiator is not enough to effectively cool a CPU and a GPU. The tubing on most AIO units are limited to 1/4" ID. In the end it just aint worth it, if you want more cooling performance out of watercooling custom is the best and only way to go... something smells burned? OH GOD MY FOOD!

um, there is one way they are better, easy of use, other than that you are right
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Many thanks everyone! For now I'll have to stick with my antec. I'll do lots of research too.
I'll have to make a budget of around $300 later on. I'll need a new case because the Eclio touch 787 isn't so friendly, but then again it was a gift!

Another question, what are some recommended quiet fans for radiators. I have to juggle around budgets so the lower the price the more flexibility I'll have later on when I go into a custom loop cooler.
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http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=36_1130_49_1156&products_id=34316

Corsair's fans aren't bad, but the higher end ones are the Noiseblockers, Noctua, and Scythe fans that can sometimes get above $20 per fan, but I've had a good experience myself with these.. Nice, quiet, and a nice look to them smile.gif not to mention they perform pretty good rolleyes.gif
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Many thanks everyone! For now I'll have to stick with my antec. I'll do lots of research too.
I'll have to make a budget of around $300 later on. I'll need a new case because the Eclio touch 787 isn't so friendly, but then again it was a gift!

Another question, what are some recommended quiet fans for radiators. I have to juggle around budgets so the lower the price the more flexibility I'll have later on when I go into a custom loop cooler.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9780/fan-619/Cooler_Master_Blade_Master_120mm_x_25mm_PWM_Fan_R4-BMBS-20PK-R0.html

i just picked up two more of these, i currently have two already smile.gif

600-2000rpm is nice and the static pressure and cfm on them outperforms most of the fans i've seen out there, not sure why this fan is overlooked smile.gif

GL with your build! You can always get something like a XSPC Raystorm kit that will provide you a very nice waterblock, rads, and pump. You can always upgrade these kits as well, just make sure you buy the right ones to begin with, they aren't %100 custom but they beat AIO and save you hundreds of bucks when building full custom.

Wish you luck mate!
  
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