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Hi Everyone,

So I have a few questions and this seems like a good place to start.

First- BF4 loves to crash on me (and probably everyone else), I was wondering if anyone has a good regime of stress programs to test overclocked hardware for stability in BF4?
I use IBT, Memtest and Firestrike + Unreal for CPU, memory, GPU respectively. Regardless of stability in these programs BF4 still seems to crash. Also full system tests like RealBench are stable as well

Second- It never causes a display driver failure or BSOD but just turns white and wants to do the Windows online error check thingy. The details usually involve a *.dll file. Does anyone know what hardware or software related issue this could be from?

In my rig I have the following-
Maximus Gene V
3570K @ 4.8Ghz delidded with a H105, runs at 1.365V and temps never above 65C (IBT stable)
GTX780 @ 1280Mhz/6400Mhz on a G10+H55 and temps never above 60C (unreal, firestrike stable)
Corsair XMS memory @ 1866Mhz/1.65V/10-11-10-30 timings (Memtest Stable)
750W bronze PSU
Latest Nvidia driver and use dual monitors, Asus VG248QE @ 120Hz for main and LG 60Hz for showing the mini map.

Like I said each individual component was stability checked to work but, if it is a hardware issue I have no idea how to diagnose the instability in the system as a whole.
Any help/ideas are greatly appreciated, thanks!
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ibt is only a halfway test of stability. most people pass it and crash in prime95 and vice versa.
memtest doesnt check stability of your ram. it can only tell you if it is bad or not if your memory gives errors.
realbench is not a stability program worth a rat's. i can pass realbench with 4.8ghz @1.375v all day everyday both stress test and benchmarking. i dont last 30 minutes in prime95.

prime95 blend is the best to test for memory stability. usually being able to run the full cycle of fft tests says youre 99% stable.
graphics cards stability, pass heaven3 or 4 and/or valley a few times and most call it stable.
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Good to know. The GPU should be fine because I used Heaven3 and spent a long time finding the max core/ram OC then, I scaled it down by 10% keeping the voltage the same.
As for Prime95, I heard that it isn't that good for Ivy Bridge. Something about old coding instructions...
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ibt is only a halfway test of stability. most people pass it and crash in prime95 and vice versa.
memtest doesnt check stability of your ram. it can only tell you if it is bad or not if your memory gives errors.
realbench is not a stability program worth a rat's. i can pass realbench with 4.8ghz @1.375v all day everyday both stress test and benchmarking. i dont last 30 minutes in prime95.

prime95 blend is the best to test for memory stability. usually being able to run the full cycle of fft tests says youre 99% stable.
graphics cards stability, pass heaven3 or 4 and/or valley a few times and most call it stable.

I would argue prime is 95% stable, northing more.
Folding is 99% stable.
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I would argue prime is 95% stable, northing more.
Folding is 99% stable.

stability is all a matter of opinion. what some consider stable others say "no way". some say aida64 is stable and some people say no.
speaking of aida64, a lot use it to determine if haswell is stable, still others dont, but others said you CAN use it for ivy.

stressing with different programs like p95, aida64, ibt and the like only mean you are stable passing those tests. the only true stable is running stock if intel didnt send out a bad cpu.
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I would argue prime is 95% stable, northing more.
Folding is 99% stable.

Prime95 with custom settings is 99% stable too, just not the default Blend torture test.
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stability is all a matter of opinion. what some consider stable others say "no way". some say aida64 is stable and some people say no.
speaking of aida64, a lot use it to determine if haswell is stable, still others dont, but others said you CAN use it for ivy.

stressing with different programs like p95, aida64, ibt and the like only mean you are stable passing those tests. the only true stable is running stock if intel didnt send out a bad cpu.

Not at all an "opinion" - comes from experience from myself and helping countless people in the OC thread (that's how I've gotten my rep over the year).
Aida64 is brilliant, possibly better than Prime95 due to it using 64bit "processes" - but a recent Prime "AVX" or something similar solved that prime issue.
Either/or, AIDA isn't free. Prime is. So people should stick to Prime and they'll have a MUCH larger scope of people that could speak from "experience". Rather than AIDA, which is a lot more scarce.

And yes, every CPU is different - there's no XYZ of OC'ing a CPU - but certain guides really cover most things you need to be 100% stable.
You can choose your testing methods in the end - but the common goal is for you to be stable.
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Prime95 with custom settings is 99% stable too, just not the default Blend torture test.

Absolutely not.
You can do small FFT or large FFT for X amount of time - it still won't pick up everything. I know this because I'm one that has been extremely active (and helped guide OCN'ers) with their IB CPUs.
So, I'm not screaming out crap here.

Prime will help determine most of the errors. But when you combine a GPU with your "prime stable CPU" - you MIGHT experience problems.
I would guestimate that around 10% of people have had to dial a little extra volts in the OC thread. Their Prime stable system has had to incur a little extra volts, due to it not being stable (BF3 and BF4 being prime examples)

Here's how I did it:
-IBT for short amount of time to determine quickly if I'm far or close off my stability
-Prime for 24hrs (custom blend)
-FOlding for 5hrs straight

Once all that passes - I was good to go.
I ran my "prime stable system " for over 3-4months, before trying folding and getting BSODs. It sure puzzled me, but adding those extra volts, helped.
Same applies for BF4. Heck I've even been told to increase my volts, since I'm SLI now.
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First off, thank you everyone for the responses. I will have too try Prime95 and some folding for sure.

One last thing though. Is there a good order to proceed when overclocking an entire system? ie CPU-RAM-GPU. Even if I do get an error with Prime or Folding how do I know which component caused the issue? This goes with my *.dll errors from BF4, is there anyway to know what component caused it?
I would like to avoid starting from scratch as I have spent the better part of a year finding exactly what works for my machine and only BF4 seems to be giving me hell.
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First off, thank you everyone for the responses. I will have too try Prime95 and some folding for sure.

One last thing though. Is there a good order to proceed when overclocking an entire system? ie CPU-RAM-GPU. Even if I do get an error with Prime or Folding how do I know which component caused the issue? This goes with my *.dll errors from BF4, is there anyway to know what component caused it?
I would like to avoid starting from scratch as I have spent the better part of a year finding exactly what works for my machine and only BF4 seems to be giving me hell.

It's best to OC one thing at a time ONLY.
So first make sure your CPU is stable, then if you want, move to ram then GPU last.
You'll usually be able to tell what's the error, and pinpoint it, due to the error codes etc.
It isn't always accurate, but you have to take some sort of logic and think: I was gaming and it was a really intensive FPS part, and my PC crashed - I THINK it could be GPU related.
Put it that way smile.gif
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Not at all an "opinion" - comes from experience from myself and helping countless people in the OC thread (that's how I've gotten my rep over the year).
Aida64 is brilliant, possibly better than Prime95 due to it using 64bit "processes" - but a recent Prime "AVX" or something similar solved that prime issue.
Either/or, AIDA isn't free. Prime is. So people should stick to Prime and they'll have a MUCH larger scope of people that could speak from "experience". Rather than AIDA, which is a lot more scarce.

aida64 isnt as stressful on the cpu as p95, pure and simple. it is still nowhere near as free of stress as realbench which is crap for stress testing.
recent p95 with avx? avx was introduced 2012 with v27.2
and what is stable IS a matter of opinion. some people dont care if they can pass ~17 hours of p95 as long as they never crash while playing derpaderp. that shows you right there stable is an opinion based on what the pc is used for and is stable at doing that.

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Absolutely not.
You can do small FFT or large FFT for X amount of time - it still won't pick up everything. I know this because I'm one that has been extremely active (and helped guide OCN'ers) with their IB CPUs.
So, I'm not screaming out crap here.

Here's how I did it:
-IBT for short amount of time to determine quickly if I'm far or close off my stability
-Prime for 24hrs (custom blend)
-FOlding for 5hrs straight

Once all that passes - I was good to go.
I ran my "prime stable system " for over 3-4months, before trying folding and getting BSODs. It sure puzzled me, but adding those extra volts, helped.
Same applies for BF4. Heck I've even been told to increase my volts, since I'm SLI now.

first mistake would be using only small and/or large fft not blend. blend runns different/more test than using small then large or large then small fft.
~17 hours to run all 82 fft sizes at default 15 test time. ~14 hours to run 10 minute time. no reason to run 24 hours. if you run 24 you may as well run another 10 hours to say you ran 2 full loops and you really should be using 90% of available ram or it doesnt mean much.
unbelievable but yeah, more vcore to run sli. i was totally stable for a year and needed .010v more to be stable after adding my 2nd 670.

system stability is still really nothing more than being stable while doing what you do. if there is nothing critical to you or the world on your drive and all you do is game, install windows and all updates and EVERYTHING else at stock settings. find a 'stable' overclock. play your games. system and program files stay non-corrupted and your processor is screaming fast to play. some people call that stable.
btw, did you know stressing and failing corrupts your os in most cases? you still need to reinstall your os after you find your stable oc. then you really should be stressing again to make sure it doesnt fail on a clean system wink.gif
Edited by pc-illiterate - 4/1/14 at 9:02am
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