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No. Again, people should not let companies or other people dictate their actions. I pre-order because I WANT the exclusive stuff, because I WANT the game as soon as possible, because I want to SUPPORT the devs ASAP because I KNOW the GAME will be GOOD.

That's just me, at least. I love the little exclusive stuff for pre-orders. I really have never, ever, seen a problem with it..

Also multiplayer woohoo. It's so amazing and it has another song + video in the background!!!

No, again, that exclusive stuff needs to die in a fire. Exclusivity is crap and has no place in gaming. None at all.

The only valid reason to preorder is taht you want the game on release, at a slight discount. That is reason enough. The exclusive items are wrong. Dead wrong.
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Cant wait for exclusive shotgun to the face!
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No, again, that exclusive stuff needs to die in a fire. Exclusivity is crap and has no place in gaming. None at all.

The only valid reason to preorder is taht you want the game on release, at a slight discount. That is reason enough. The exclusive items are wrong. Dead wrong.

Pretty much, pre-order should be for those that want a guaranteed copy. The only industry that it really matters today is consoles, much of the PC gaming has moved to clients (though if they allow pre-downloading of a game pre-orders still serve a purpose). You don't even need to worry about "copies sold" and a store running out. So the exclusive crap is marketing finesse, tactics tailored to lap dogs. If they had exclusive versions separate, say you pay extra for content that's fine and dandy. Day 1 DLC should be pushed into "bonus content" for an exclusive copy. That's essentially what it is, people who cry about on disc DLC are crying about companies saving money and not packaging different versions of the game. Pre-Orders should stay out of all that, it's just a pre-order.
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ROFLMAO wow EA has you hook line and sinker.

I thought the BETA stage is what is meant to fix/change things.

Now apparently according to you its a whole game as the beta for the next.

EA has marketing genius's working for them.

I'm not the one saying it was a beta.. I was just pointing out that developers tend to use previous titles of a series to improve on the next. It's just the evolution of a series.
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ROFLMAO wow EA has you hook line and sinker.

I thought the BETA stage is what is meant to fix/change things.

Now apparently according to you its a whole game as the beta for the next.

EA has marketing genius's working for them.

Actually, it's really a basic concept to improve upon a former product.

It's been around a long time and in business is referred to as "Kaizen". It's a Japanese philosophy of continuous improvement. You use your existing products as a baseline to improve on... so in theory, every product is a beta for the next.

So actually, it's really quite common...
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BF3 is a great game, and looking forward to the success and dominance of BF4. There is no better fps on the market currently. thumb.gif
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AAA PC games are usually £39.99 on Steam, compared to £49.99 of PS3 and 360 AAA games on release.
ARMA 3 is a different type of game. BF4 is going to be more of an action FPS whereas ARMA 3 is more of a simulator FPS. If you play any games in the ARMA series like you would in BF you would be killed instantly as well as not getting any kills. But if you play the BF series like you would play ARMA you would be considered a camper.

So running around like an idiot is how you are supposed to play battlefield?

No.

Defending, holding a position, tactics, teamwork, moving from point to point as a squad and playing smart is how you are supposed to play battlefield. It's only the new generation COD players that think you are supposed to run around like it's dragon ball z with a bolt action and iron sights.

The same play style and tactics apply to both battlefield and ARMA, battlefield is just easier to pick up and play. This whole discussion, is what's wrong with this new generation of players and how they're ruining games.

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+1

I pre-oredered the game NOT because I want to feed money to EA, or ruin the "morals" and "ethics" of the gaming industry or whatever. I pre-ordered it because I'm definitely buying the game and seeing as how you get an extra expansion pack for free if you pre-order, seemed like a good deal to me.

I want the game, so I pre-ordered. I don't care where the money goes as long as I get my game.

An I trust DICE so..

But what if the game sucks?
    
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Actually, it's really a basic concept to improve upon a former product.

It's been around a long time and in business is referred to as "Kaizen". It's a Japanese philosophy of continuous improvement. You use your existing products as a baseline to improve on... so in theory, every product is a beta for the next.

So actually, it's really quite common...

So by that logic BF4 should be released as a bug free/finished/well balanced game?
I can wait till its cheaper.
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So by that logic BF4 should be released as a bug free/finished/well balanced game?
I can wait till its cheaper.

No, because that's the concept of kaizen... continuous improvement. No product is ever "finished" or "complete", because it's always possible to improve.

Secondly, maybe you don't work in IT or understand how software works, but bug free is again, impossible. Well... it's *nearly* possible, for example the way Nasa still uses software from the 80's early 90's... but for modern computing and its complexity, it's impossible.

Thirdly, "balanced" is pure opinion. What balanced means to you, means something different to me. Some people believe all weapons should be equal, but in my opinion certain weapons should be clearly better than others... because that reflects real life.

So, it's possible to have opinions... but don't chalk them down as fact. Also, beta is but a term of the development lifecycle... if you look at Battlefield in a top down approach, then perhaps each game is merely a beta for the next release... that's the way software works.

EDIT: Also "cheaper"... blame your local economic isolation and cost of living for the extortionate game prices ha.
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Despite what people may think, Battlefield is not going the CoD route. There will be another Battlefield, but it's unlikely that it's going to be a part of the main series. It will probably be Bad Company 3.

I think the main reason why they're attempting BF4 after BF3 is because there was a lot DICE wanted to do but didn't get a chance to do some of it (battlerecorder, spectator, competitive features, etc.). I'm almost positive BF4 is going to be an all out better experience than BF3, which is saying a lot for me because I really enjoyed BF3.


I hope so. smile.gif sounds plausible. But it is EA and EA needs a shooter to compete against the billion dollar COD
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