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LMGs in BF3 can snipe AND hipfire. If you don't think so, you haven't tried. Same class also gets the ammo bag AND the explosives. Heals are irrelevant, because you auto heal, and revives are less important now that you can just respawn pretty much anywhere with a fresh new kit half a second later in most servers. So yeah, I stand by my support class being a super soldier argument.
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand anything you said. :/

He said modern games suck because they don't support mods and they're only designed to be relevant until the next nearly-identical sequel comes out a few months later... or something like that. Broken English aside, he has a valid point.
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LMGs in BF3 can snipe AND hipfire. If you don't think so, you haven't tried. Same class also gets the ammo bag AND the explosives. Heals are irrelevant, because you auto heal, and revives are less important now that you can just respawn pretty much anywhere with a fresh new kit half a second later in most servers. So yeah, I stand by my support class being a super soldier argument.

You said that in BF3, classes are capable of carrying out all of their roles at the same time.

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In BF3, you can be the the counter-sniper, the demo guy, the suppressive fire, CQB guy, artillery, AND ammo guy all at the same time. It's called "Support".

The CQB guy will be carrying an SMG/Shotty and will easily win in CQB vs an LMG, especially hipfiring. Especially with a laser attachment. The guns that provide the best suppressing fire are not SMGs/Shottys,

Being able to shoot semi-long distances doesn't make you "the counter sniper". By your logic, every gun in the game Is a counter sniper weapon because it fires projectiles. Furthermore, sniper rifles used at proper range (i.e. on large maps with actual hard bullet drop enducing sniping ranges, not in CQ maps) will not suffer from LMG fire. In those cases, actual sniper rifles are an LMGs worst enemy.

Artillery and demolitions cannot be used at the same time.

You were wrong. Simple as that.

To be so wrong about something which any regular player would have known shows a lack of understand of the game/experience and devalues the integrity of your posts.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 4/3/13 at 2:13pm
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do you remenber when games last more than a year ?? or when they have mods tools and the game simply like arma was done by the gamer remenber that time never come again becouse of peopel that accept this thing, a game a year with littel change, i want that the games last more online give me more not just this, for exampel arma 3 develope only give us the engine and the base game we expand that to other level, bf biggest map is bandar desert is like 2 km in game arma 2 if i remenber has falluja is 5 KM full of building where you can enter in almost everyone thats is more that what bf3 premiun give me, i really want more if i gonna buy a game 1 year after buying the previous one frown.gif

hmm yeah , Arma2 is only one big map frown.gif i hope you like the grass son ...


AND about the Hardcore

just give it a try with some friends over TS or Vent or whatever you have ... its way better and THEN you realize BF3 is the greatest BF so far


you will shed a tear when you are in mgs mode ( Metal gear solid lol that what i call when im sneaking in the enemy base LOL ) and when you get discoverd , your squadmates snipe the hell out the enemies , and when u have to reload ...

a wild Support with a Pecheneg appears out of nowhere and you have to reload on main and handgun .... shhhhplattttt!!! HEADSHOT to the Support !!!!!!! take the flag and go and make a point

... i feel awesome after that smile.gif ... no other game had gave me that type of rush , only the older BF titles
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You said that in BF3, classes are capable of carrying out all of their roles at the same time.

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The CQB guy will be carrying an SMG/Shotty and will easily win in CQB vs an LMG, especially hipfiring. Especially with a laser attachment. The guns that provide the best suppressing fire are not SMGs/Shottys,

Being able to shoot semi-long distances doesn't make you "the counter sniper". By your logic, every gun in the game Is a counter sniper weapon because it fires projectiles. Furthermore, sniper rifles used at proper range (i.e. on large maps with actual hard bullet drop enducing sniping ranges, not in CQ maps) will not suffer from LMG fire. In those cases, actual sniper rifles are an LMGs worst enemy.

Artillery and demolitions cannot be used at the same time.

You were wrong. Simple as that.

To be so wrong about something which any regular player would have known shows a lack of understand of the game/experience and devalues the integrity of your posts.

You've clearly never actually used a LMG in BF3 or BC2. Does a SMG have an advantage at close range? Yes. Does a sniper have an advantage at very far range? Yes. But can either of those guns do the other's role at all? Not at all. The LMGs in BC2 and BF3 can fill any role, and if you're even half decent with it, the disadvantage in any situation is negligible.

Now give the same class C4 or Mortars, AND ammo pack, AND automatic health regeneration, and why would you ever play anything else? The only situation a Support is not well suited towards is anti-air, and even then they can just hop in any random vehicle on the map and solve that issue.
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You've clearly never actually used a LMG in BF3 or BC2. Does a SMG have an advantage at close range? Yes. Does a sniper have an advantage at very far range? Yes. But can either of those guns do the other's role at all? Not at all. The LMGs in BC2 and BF3 can fill any role, and if you're even half decent with it, the disadvantage in any situation is negligible.

Now give the same class C4 or Mortars, AND ammo pack, AND automatic health regeneration, and why would you ever play anything else? The only situation a Support is not well suited towards is anti-air, and even then they can just hop in any random vehicle on the map and solve that issue.

my SKS defer biggrin.gif

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/yoishiro/iteminfo/sks/181587745/pc/

its my favorite gun , for close / mid / long ... just put the 3.5 or 4x scope ... no one can kill you . as long as you know the timing for the "first shot" accuracy , because the folowup of the first one is all over the map even if your sight is on the nose of the enemy lol

...ah , and remember to stop before shoot

http://symthic.com/bf3-weapon-comparison#37-40-00-00

the point is , yes , LMG are cool but they dont have any advantage over any other gun class , its all about the player
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When i try to use the SKS with iron sights attempting to assault with it essentially my hits fail to register. As if they won't allow me to shoot it fast like that at a target. :/

Just noticed the SKS was shooting 7.62x39mm according to the game, i thought it was 7.62x54mmR funny they classify it as long range. Oh well it's a game same reason i suppose the M16 is long but the M4 is medium rolleyes.gif
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When i try to use the SKS with iron sights attempting to assault with it essentially my hits fail to register. As if they won't allow me to shoot it fast like that at a target. :/

ok , record some gameplay and then ... slow motion your shots , you will understand whats wrong frown.gif


thats what i did ... and you will learn alot from that little experiment smile.gif

check this out

now tell me what the guy is doing wrong
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When i try to use the SKS with iron sights attempting to assault with it essentially my hits fail to register. As if they won't allow me to shoot it fast like that at a target. :/


Yes, that's intentional. You're supposed to take slow calculated shots with it not spam the ish out of it.
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my SKS defer biggrin.gif

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/yoishiro/iteminfo/sks/181587745/pc/

its my favorite gun , for close / mid / long ... just put the 3.5 or 4x scope ... no one can kill you . as long as you know the timing for the "first shot" accuracy , because the folowup of the first one is all over the map even if your sight is on the nose of the enemy lol

...ah , and remember to stop before shoot

http://symthic.com/bf3-weapon-comparison#37-40-00-00

the point is , yes , LMG are cool but they dont have any advantage over any other gun class , its all about the player

The SKS isn't really a sniper rifle though. It's a battle rifle - the other uniquely versatile weapon class. Thing is, while battle rifles may be similarly versatile in terms of engagement range, they're much worse in terms of hip fire spray and pray, and don't have the ammo count to be effective at suppressive fire.

And that's still ignoring the fact that the LMG is just one tool in the support's arsenal. Snipers don't have access to ANYTHING for anti-armor (soflam doesn't count, it doesn't actually do anything without someone else using AT weapons), and can't resupply themselves.
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Oh i also hope they change the recon class model am i the only one that was bothered by the ridiculous balaclava and the way the recon looked?

What's wrong with the classic boonie hat smile.gif

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