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You think so? No what this is telling you is the same thing some us have known for quite some time. Who is paying the bills? That is who gets the favored review. Its been back and forth, one side is just as bad as the other green and red.

At the end of the day though if you plunked down $400 or $600 on equipment, and failed to follow the golden rule (BUYER BEWARE) articles like this will grate your nerves.

At the same time you have to wonder how camp red does so well on valley bench mark. Then camp green just creams them in top 30 3d mark 13 bench mark.
http://www.overclock.net/t/872945/top-30-3d-mark-13-fire-strike-scores

Hear hear, people are relying too much on a few sources without background checking.
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Stupid question: Why don't we have variable monitor refresh rates? For example, if the monitor is capable of 60hz, it will maintain that refresh rate for as long as the system is able to supply 60 frames per second, but if the framerate drops below 60, the refresh rate would drop to maintain v-sync at whatever framerate the computer is able to supply, so you could run at 40fps on a 60hz monitor with a consistent 25ms between frames and no tearing. Would this capability be something that could be rolled into the tech whenever they start implementing panel self refresh?

As for smooth gaming, I think the long term goal should be high refresh rates, v-sync enabled, and split frame rendering for multi-gpu(to get rid of the input lag associated w/ AFR).
Edited by TranquilTempest - 3/27/13 at 10:18pm
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conclusion: CrossFire is unusable because it provides almost 0 benefit over a single AMD card. SLI is a wonderful way to dramatically increase performance without waiting for next-gen.
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conclusion: CrossFire is unusable because it provides almost 0 benefit over a single AMD card. SLI is a wonderful way to dramatically increase performance without waiting for next-gen.

Worst assumption ever.
     
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Worst assumption ever.
there was sarcasm in his post
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You think so? No what this is telling you is the same thing some us have known for quite some time. Who is paying the bills? That is who gets the favored review. Its been back and forth, one side is just as bad as the other green and red.

At the end of the day though if you plunked down $400 or $600 on equipment, and failed to follow the golden rule (BUYER BEWARE) articles like this will grate your nerves.

At the same time you have to wonder how camp red does so well on valley bench mark. Then camp green just creams them in top 30 3d mark 13 bench mark.
http://www.overclock.net/t/872945/top-30-3d-mark-13-fire-strike-scores

There is no conspiracy in data. This method brings new data that is very relevant for the gaming experience. That is the revolution. Beyond that - the interpretation, the stakeholders, the timing, the market - feel free to make conspiracy theories.
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How disgusting..... +rep for posting this, thank you. Did your source also check vishera? I bet AMD's implementation of "fake" cores doesn't suffer from this.

I'd imagine it was the extra resources being put into the cores for HT, while not affecting speed significantly (Usually) latency goes up.
AMDs right now might, due to waiting for the decoders which aren't split but will be in SR. So if AMD does now, it won't with its next launch.
    
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Something to consider here, SLI is a MUCH older technology than Crossfire, it has a lot more development behind it.

You see SLI, despite nVidia's attempt to re-write history was actually developed and first used in 1998 by a company known as 3DFX. In fact at the time nVidias found and CEO made many public statements to the effect that multi-card was a gimmick and not the true future of the video card for gaming. (Interesting twist) When nVidia bought out 3DFX they acquired this technology and the fact it was actually pretty well developed then.

Now a lot is being made about how different this SLI is from the one 3DFX had, and I will not argue that but the base principles and technology is what led to the development and this means NVidia did not have to start from scratch but had a solid base of development under them when they reintroduced SLI in 2004.

AMD by contrast did not have this base technology to work from and had to start from scratch, introducing Crossfire near the end of 2005. So in effect AMD is about 7 years in development behind NVidia on this technology.

Now this is not meant as excuse for AMD when it comes to the performance issues we see with this new testing and Crossfire. However it does give a little background. Of note also is the fact of why is anyone surprised? Crossfire testing has consistently been a hit and miss method of GPU speed boosting for a number of years, SLI has had misses as well but has been overall more consistent than Crossfire. These test are really just giving us knowledge we already have.
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double.
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People who drank the coolaid believing that adding their second 7970 are funny here; "i certainly noticed I was able to increase details and maintain 30FPS" well yeah, duh. thats what the reviewers say too. The problem is that 30fps readout which you can see on your OSD isn't really 30FPS! Some people are missing the point entirely, simply justifying their purchase. The point of this is objective information....not anecdotal evidence of you reading your FPS readout after installing a second card. Come on. The whole point of the article is to show THAT IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE METHOD OF DETERMINING PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT!!

This testing methodology/result flies in the face of what we PC enthusiasts have bowed down to for years, so naturally, its going to take alot of time and adjustment to get used to. We are all intelligent people, and we shouldnt close our minds to new science just because we ...dont like the results.
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