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The issue at hand isn't whether or not Crossfire is right for you, personally - it's whether or not Crossfire enhances the gaming experience. One 7970 is powerful enough to max out most DX9 titles, so if we're going to weigh the merits of adding a second 7970, we need to consider games that would actually take advantage of the extra power - of which there are many. Crysis 3, for ex. I literally get 30fps with one of my cards and a solid 60 with both of them (vsync enabled, 1440p).

Speaking of which, if 1080p is "FullHD," then what is 1440p? SuperFullHD? OverflowingHD? Also, 1080p isn't a buzzword, it's a pixel count. It's information that directly refers to the specs of the product. "FullHD" doesn't tell us anything about the product because 1080p res. on an iPad vs. 1080p res. on an 80inch TV are entirely different viewing experiences.

So the personal experiencies of those people who don't agree with you are irrelevant, whereas the personal experiencies similar to yours are right on topic?

1080p is not pixel count, it's the same kind of marketing terminology than FullHD. Pixel count would be 1920x1080. Have you seen the FullHD logo? You'd know that 1080p is on it in bigger font than FullHD. You seem to take me using the term as hyping my ultra high resolution, which if you actually would have read my original post you'd know is the absolute opposite of what I did. You'd also know that getting a solid Vsync is the exact need that I think CF is good for.

So grow a pair and respect opposing opinions enough to actually read them.

Good day, sir.
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I think everybody keeps missing the point: How do you know that you get 60fps? Because FRAPS tells you?

All that FRAPS tells you is that the Present() call has been made at the API.

The whole point of all of these articles is to measure the frames output at a different point in the process, which (until Afterburner or Precision incorporate it) isn't available to anyone out site of news sites at the moment

You don't need a program/api to tell you The difference between 20/30 & 60.. That should be pretty obvious as a dual gpu user if you are validating pcpers findings on this topic and as a gamer.
Edited by zGunBLADEz - 3/30/13 at 12:24pm
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I'll stick with my own perception to judge if a setup is better or worse when it comes to stuttering/smooth gameplay. I don't doubt there is an issue, that is plain as day in the graphs. What I doubt is the ability to notice them while playing the game. I have cards from both sides and honestly can't tell a difference. I do hope AMD addresses this with that slider option so people that can tell the difference have a way of manipulating it till they can't see it.

I may be in a minority, but let's hope not. I'd venture a guess and say the majority can;t tell the difference either, If they could, there would have been a big uproar long before all these articles came out and told us that our AMD cards have a problem. That'/s not to say that they don't need to address it for those that truly can see a smoothness difference. They do need to and are going to with the slider option.
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I do notice the frame time issues if I don't control them. They are very annoying.

But this picture is just a joke..


20 frames i dont even see a comment from the pcper guy that says.. "But hey, theres something odd the animation dont looks like 20 frames"

yesh i must be crazy if i played crysis 3 at just 20frames and beat the game like that..

common sense.
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When I drop below 60FPS I do definitely notice stuttering but fortunately games these days don't really tax hardware much so I usually don't need to deal with <60FPS stuttering.
I'm glad this has been brought to light however, AMD needed a bit of a nudge to sort this out.
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I think everybody keeps missing the point: How do you know that you get 60fps? Because FRAPS tells you?

All that FRAPS tells you is that the Present() call has been made at the API.

The whole point of all of these articles is to measure the frames output at a different point in the process, which (until Afterburner or Precision incorporate it) isn't available to anyone out site of news sites at the moment

You know a lot of us have been gaming on PC's for a while now and have gone through any number of setups. It's not that hard to tell when a game is throwing out 20 -30fps vs. 60fps. It's also hard not to notice a stark difference from playing Cryisis 3 with my single 7950 vs CF 7950's. All of this stuff is pretty obvious.
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I think everybody keeps missing the point: How do you know that you get 60fps? Because FRAPS tells you?

All that FRAPS tells you is that the Present() call has been made at the API.

The whole point of all of these articles is to measure the frames output at a different point in the process, which (until Afterburner or Precision incorporate it) isn't available to anyone out site of news sites at the moment
Lol, no. I know it's 60fps because anyone who knows the first thing about PC gaming can immediately tell the difference between 10fps & 30fps, between 30fps & 60fps, between 60fps & 120fps. Getting the point yet? I fully understand the thesis of these tests. It doesn't change the fact that 2 7970s = a better experience in Crysis 3 than a single 7970 because the gameplay is smoother.
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I do notice the frame time issues if I don't control them. They are very annoying.

But this picture is just a joke..


20 frames i dont even see a comment from the pcper guy that says.. "But hey, theres something odd the animation dont looks like 20 frames"

yesh i must be crazy if i played crysis 3 at just 20frames and beat the game like that..

common sense.
Have you done a test run with the same settings used in the review?
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Have you done a test run with the same settings used in the review?

Not only i have everything maxed out on the game (except AA which i use FXAA) im using 1440P with customized cvar option as well to enhance image quality beyond game default in game options.


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Lol, no. I know it's 60fps because anyone who knows the first thing about PC gaming can immediately tell the difference between 10fps & 30fps, between 30fps & 60fps, between 60fps & 120fps. Getting the point yet? I fully understand the thesis of these tests. It doesn't change the fact that 2 7970s = a better experience in Crysis 3 than a single 7970 because the gameplay is smoother.

The game play is smoother sometimes...

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Not only i have everything maxed out on the game (except AA which i use FXAA) im using 1440P with customized cvar option as well to enhance image quality beyond game default in game options.


I think there is still an issue with certain configurations. Just because your system runs great for you, does not mean there is not something wrong for others. It could be anything to a "bad" card, ram or some other random component.

Like I said in another thread, I had horrible stutter with a SINGLE 7870XT in my system, even though I was getting better frame rates than I was with my GTX580. The experience was horrible. I did everything this side of formatting to resolve the issue. Nothing helped.

I believe that you know the difference between ~20 and ~60 FPS. That does not mean that the test system they used in the PCper article did not run into some issues. Having said that, people consistently complain of crossfire issues and AMD has admitted there are driver issues. I believe AMD will start getting it under control and results like this will help.
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