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Well I was planning on going something that will handle 2 and 3 way crossfire that's fully modular and can handle a decent overclocked system, so I reckon what, 800W-1000W?
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The power supply I linked the pc power & cooling is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703028&Tpk=PC%20Power%20and%20Cooling%20Silencer%20Mk%20II%20950W&IsVirtualParent=1 12v x 83.4 amps = 1000.8 watts and can be safely pushed to 12v x 90amps = 1080 watts on one rail maybe now you can see difference multiple 12v rails are ok for smaller machines but when you get into the upper tier hardware / OCing the multiple rails cause issues and also often plain and simple wont work so single high amp voltage rails are the way to go for upper end / OCing on the hardware side otherwise things become dicey and unstable and can fry everything attached to the multiple rail psu.
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out of experience modular is not the best way to go have doen it in past with little success the added connections add to areas to lose connection also single high amp power supplies are often not modular but they do have one by pc power & cooling http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703039 is a good modular psu with single 12v rail but is lower power for a lot higher amount of money
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this is one of the best modular power supplies on market for the price in my eyes and still has single high amp power rails http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703037 1200w power supply will easily handle 3way sli/ crossfire 4way if you wanted to lol when you get upto around 3way/ 4way you need to be above the 1k power supply range to hold it stable and still keep power supply under 80% load
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me I don't do modular for reasons I can explain as in my extreme cases I have actualy had connectors go out on the power supply side of the modular cables or vise versa this happens due to weight of cables / vibration and extreme power draw non modular power supplies I have never had this issue hince reason I use 2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703012 in my big rig inside a coolermaster HAF 932 full tower case one power supply on top one on bottom the towwer has 2 spots to put power supplies factory and these power supplies have been working flawlessly for like 5yrs now and according to my digital testers and such have not lost any voltage / amps so keeping the load distributed evenly at around 50%-65% max across the 2 psu's allows for some very insane overclocking potential with plenty headroom on power supply side.

I also want to point out I use a special adapter I bought to run 2 power supplies both fire up at same time and such http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5637/cpa-167/Lian_Li_Dual_Power_Supply_Adapter_Cable.html is the exact one I use

Oh I forgot to mention I have a direct line from the breaker box to my pc gaming room that is 30 amp breaker service with industrial grade 110v outlets so I can handle around 20amps of draw per plug and I use 2 plugs lol hince 2 power supplies so I have plenty of power to my setup I also have a line directly from back of case leading outside to a copper ground spike that is 4 feet deep into ground for extra grounding I know overkill but hey I like to cover my bases and be sure no way possible I have bad ground incase of massive surges and such or lightning I live in a very storm proned area.

I also have a backup generator that is connected to my home (yes I can run my pc off it another perk of the pc power & cooling psu's ) ( without damage or risk ) I put in myself and modified to my specs / states / city / federal specs runs on gasoline / propane / or natural gas all easily swapped within a few seconds lol so yes I am very smart and like to cover my bases on things.
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the pc power & cooling psu's that were designed with the design from server grade were designed to be capable of being ran on secondary power sources aka generators / power inverters / backup power supplies and such without damage or risk of it I run all my hardware ( monitors / speakers / and main pc unit ) also thru good surge protection and also with a big backup power source ( uninteruptible power supply ) which is also capable of running off generator to charge unit the unit (also works as a line conditioner ) has a 2500va UPS and a added battery backup in otherwards a larger battery than original I know again overkill but hey when I am gaming I don't like a power outage to stop me or when I am benchmarking and such I cant let system just crash this causes corruption of hardrive data and such and is a big hassle.


I also want to point out I originaly installed the UPS because I was breeding tropical fish and such for local pet stores and any power outages would literaly kill them so I had to have a backup source so I bought a used one off ebay with no battery then I did my research and found out how to use a large drycell type battery often used for solar setups instead of eom battery adds a lot more amp hours to setup meening more runtime off UPS then we had a nasty storm come thru knocked power out for 3 days the battery backup wasn't enough so I invested in a backup generator and here 6 months ago removed the tropical fish breeding setup so then oriented the above stuff towards my pc / home network. I just wanted to clear that up but I knew all along the pc power & cooling psu's that were server grade designed were capable of running off alternative power sources without issues or risk as long as the power coming into them was fairly clean and there was plenty of ground applied.


basically I didn't want to come off as a doomsday prepper type of person lol but I have a very vast amount of knowledge and do a lot of research about anything I purchase period and keep the mentality of going overkill on the important stuff often pays for itself in the longrun now going overkill on looks and such that is not my cup of tea lol.
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I got my FX-8350 to 4.8Ghz with just upping the voltage and the frequency. I've ran prime95 for a few hours without any errors or crashes. I'll post my CPU validation below, hopefully you can reference this and it may help. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

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yeah you used fsb overclocking right I don't think he has the knowledge yet to do the fsb overclocking (due to it changes HT/NB/ and ram speeds when done ) add to it he has a ram stability issue or weak power supply issue or combinations of both he needs to fix the outlying issue with the ram or psu before he goes into overclocking it otherwise it will just be a lost cause and will never be stable he is using a 520w psu. The facts are he is also running a hd 7870ghz edition which draws a fair amount of power once he goes to overclocking the cpu which around 4.8ghz becomes around or below 300w of draw on 12v rail add to it the HD7870ghz edition draw of 252w max load idle of 95w so just those 2 are literaly overloading the power supply which will starve motherboard / ram / hardrives / cooling fans and such so add it all together I bet it is a psu issue to be resolved first then find out whether ram stabilizes.

I also want to state his power supply has 2x 12v rails at 20amps each http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151093&Tpk=Seasonic%20M12II%20520W&IsVirtualParent=1 go to details portion and can see this 12v x 20 amps = 240w on each rail or total of 480w his CPU overclocked above 200w+ GPU stock on load 252w = around 500w so there is no overhead left period hince why I say the psu is likely the issue.


http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?cat=&id=720&pagenumber=16 is a review that shows the power consumption of hd7870 ghz edition

basically if you figure the amd fx8350 at 4.8ghz x8 at 250w more likely near the 300w of draw and the 7870 ghz edition at 252w at load (both on 12v rail they use 12v and use the vrms to convert on mobo/gpu to whatever voltage is needed ) there is nothing left for anything else (motherboard / ram / hardrives / or cooling fans and such ) hince why I say power supply is likely the issue.
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my advice never skimp on the most important component the power supply that is the life blood of entire system and greatly affects the lifespan of everything attached to it ( by meens of clean power or dirty power ) cheaper psu's often don't have a very good power frequency control or PFC and often the cheaper psu's will also be overrated aka a 500w psu is actualy more around a 350-400w psu so they overload easier and have a very much higher chance of failure and also upon failures of powersupplies there is a high chance a static / ac discharge will flow out of power supply into anything attached to it (motherboard / ram / cpu / hardrives / cooling fans and much more) ( have had it once discharge so strongly it flowed thru the vga cable from GPU and fried the monitor trust me that was a flash I will never forget scared me half to death ) which often will fry them so best option is to buy a good psu that is far over the needs you have now both to future proof yourself and to also to make sure you keep all rails far below 80% load sweet spot seems to be around 50%-70% max load per rail if you keep to that rule power supplies and hardware attached to them will last far longer.


Cheapy PSUs can cause serious damage to components over the long term through poor voltage regulation and ripple/noise. Additionally, all PSUs can outright fail and when that happens any component connected to the PSU can be instantly destroyed. That failure takes much longer to happen on average with high quality PSUs.


http://www.technibble.com/why-you-should-avoid-cheap-power-supplies/ a review of why not to use cheap power supplies

here is a video if you are lazy and don't want to read http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezk9OA7aKOE the video was actualy done by corsair but the guy posted it on youtube lol.

another video by overclock3d http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCuKM6Ux4B4 to help people understand why a quality psu / power supply is so important.

this is a video showing how the lower end psu's and such do on voltage power control and how to see it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj2eEMuOaAs I happen to have exact same psu tester lol.
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I got my FX-8350 to 4.8Ghz with just upping the voltage and the frequency. I've ran prime95 for a few hours without any errors or crashes. I'll post my CPU validation below, hopefully you can reference this and it may help. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

http://valid.canardpc.com/2699371


I also want to point out that overclocking the fx specifically by fsb doesn't always have best effect it usualy requires a combination of fsb / multiplier to get to 4.8ghz and higher if you can find the sweet spot between the 2 you get best effect lowwer voltage less heat by mixing the two using just multi usualy requires more voltage which = more heat.
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