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The bios will not let 1.9v go through with standard settings, that is why the safety settings are there. He never sent 1.9v to his chip, the bios safety limits kicked in and prevented it. He has not done any damage to anything. He has been testing an oc though and creating instability as we all do when we test. That has most likely triggered the Asus bios bug, and thus his stability problems subsequently experienced.
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Originally Posted by srsparky32 View Post

voltage dosent kill chips, heat does. your chip's fine. do what andym95 said and reset the cmos (either pull battery from board for 30 seconds or hit cmos reset button)
no, it's a combination of both.

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no...electron migration only occurs if the electrons are moving around too fast (being too hot) ...if they are adequately cooled, then they move slower, hence lots of voltage can be pumped through the chip without hurting it. if you did 2v through a chip on air it would die/degrade very quickly due to the heat. but if you did 2v on liquid nitrogen, it would still be alive as the electrons are moving around extremely slow.
You know that voltage is the delta potential energy of the electrons, right? Putting more voltage on them means that they dissipate more energy into the circuit.

A CPU on LN2 running 1.9V would be dead after a week of normal use.


That said, there is probably nothing wrong with the chip.
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Ive tried removing the battery and clearing the cmos jumper thing and still the same problem bios settings reset but the same problem is there!!! any ideas how to do the flash thing im running 1805 bios version??
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Ive tried removing the battery and clearing the cmos jumper thing and still the same problem bios settings reset but the same problem is there!!! any ideas how to do the flash thing im running 1805 bios version??
Go to the Asus support site, download the bios file, put it on a fat32 usb stick, then load that bios from the ez flash choice in bios. The other way to do it is use the renamer on the Asus support site to rename the bios file, put in on a usb, shut the machine down, put the usb is the designated flashback usb port, then hold down the flashback button on you mobo for 3 or 4 seconds and wait for it to flash.

Instructions for flashing your bios are in your owner’s manual that came with the mobo as well.
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lol. thats also an article written in 2005. he also isnt talking about subzero...which, if you havent realized it yet, was the point of my above post. subzero cooling=lots and lots of voltages

air or water=keep volts in check

So what you're saying is that if I find a good enough cooling solution, I can push 10V through my chip and set a world record at 15GHz without any damage?!?!

Sweet, I'm off to find liquid nitrogen. /sarcasm

No but seriously, voltage can damage a chip, it's not all due to heat. I'm pretty sure if you had a chip running at stock settings, and suddenly the voltage on it spiked to 10V for even one cycle, that chip would be flat out fried regardless of the cooling solution.

Also I have first-hand experience in the matter. My chip used to run at 4.8GHz @ 1.35V. However I was using a very old (over 6 years) 1000W PSU. The PSU started getting iffy and was throwing out voltage fluctuations. Eventually it degraded my CPU to the point that it started getting unstable. By the time I had tracked down the problem, it was too late, the damage was done. I ordered a new PSU, but now I have to push 1.381V to be stable. Odds are, that constant voltage spikes are the cause. They weren't sky high like the OP's 1.9, usually fluctuating within .3V that CPUZ could catch, but I don't doubt there were possibly worse, larger spikes that really helped it along.

Based on this, yes the OP's CPU may have been damaged a bit by excessive voltage, and like my chip is more power hungry as a result.
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So what you're saying is that if I find a good enough cooling solution, I can push 10V through my chip and set a world record at 15GHz without any damage?!?!

Sweet, I'm off to find liquid nitrogen. /sarcasm
you might be able to at or near absolute zero.
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you might be able to at or near absolute zero.
Are you being serious? When people do sub zero suicide runs their chips stay at below -100 but by the end of it their chip is dead because of the amount of voltage that has been put through it.
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Technically yes, if you had the entire chip at absolute zero then you could apply infinite voltage and it would be ok. But it's not possible to do this. a) It's impossible to reach true absolute zero b) it's impossible to do it for such a large object. c) impossible to maintain that temperature when you start running 10V through it.
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Are you being serious? When people do sub zero suicide runs their chips stay at below -100 but by the end of it their chip is dead because of the amount of voltage that has been put through it.

-100 isn't near absolute zero. thumb.gif
     
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-100 isn't near absolute zero. thumb.gif
That's not the point, the point is that too much voltage will kill a chip even if it's kept cool. High voltages overstress the transistors and cause them to fail. Every transistor has a maximum voltage that they can withstand between their source and drain, if you exceed that voltage they will fail. Most CPUs nowadays have low voltage transistors because they are more power efficient but also have a lower voltage threshold which means they will fail quicker. Put 2V through a 3770K under LN2 and it will die pretty quickly.
Edit: Off topic I know, I apologise. Voltage does kill chips but not if you have all the overvoltage protection enabled so your 3570K will be fine.
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