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So I'm building an AMD APU mini ITX PC for my kids bedroom, nothing to powerful just a lil system to web browse, light gaming, etc.. Anyway the whole idea is to use the APU graphics and not need a separate GPU...

So parts I get,

AsRock FM2A85X-ITX.
5800K.
8GB DDR3.
Mini ITX Case.
120GB SSD.

Right so I build it, plug it all in, hook HDMI up to the screen, press the power on button, everything power on fine, all lights indicate everything is peachy, but.... No display on screen..

Ok, so I reset CMOS, double check everything is plugged in, try again, no display... Hmm.

Ok, now try DVI port, no display.. This is weird?

Ok, I got a few bits and pieces here, so I'm testing different memory configurations, 1 stick, 2 stick, different brands.. Decide memory is prob not the cause here..

Get a HD 7850 to try and see if that will give me display, but... It won't fit in the ITX case mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif so, I take everything back out the case and assemble it onto tray on floor, this is NOT fun..

Power up, get display !! Voila, 7850 is working fine thumb.gif.

Boot windows 7 disc, install windows... Configure bios to post with 'onboard' GPU and use 'HDMI'. No longer need the 7850 installed, the onboard GPU is working fine. PC has been turned off, rebooted and works fine every time using onboard GPU as display..

Hours go by, finished setting up Windows, everything is running perfect. Time to put it all back in the ITX case. NOTHING is changed, I move PC from tray into case, finished the build tidied cables. Power on the GPU, but.... No display mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif, all working fine all lights indicate everything is peachy, but no display..

Right, will try the 7850 again, take apart the entire mini ITX build once again. put on tray, this time 7850 does not want to work?! Thinking *** at this point.. So now the 7850 fans spin up but no display from either onboard or the GPU.

Test the GPU in another rig and it's fine..

So now I have an AMD APU system which will not give me display with the onboard GPU, thus defeating the entire purpose of the system winksmiley02.gif

I now have a dilema, do I try and send the parts back, unlikely I will get money back as they are used, do I buy a single slot GPU that willl fit in case, or is this system faulty or some weird issue that occurs with just these exact parts?!

Surely it should just work... I've had more fun getting teeth pulled and I mean that seriously lol.
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So I'm building an AMD APU mini ITX PC for my kids bedroom, nothing to powerful just a lil system to web browse, light gaming, etc.. Anyway the whole idea is to use the APU graphics and not need a separate GPU...

So parts I get,

AsRock FM2A85X-ITX.
5800K.
8GB DDR3.
Mini ITX Case.
120GB SSD.

Right so I build it, plug it all in, hook HDMI up to the screen, press the power on button, everything power on fine, all lights indicate everything is peachy, but.... No display on screen..

Ok, so I reset CMOS, double check everything is plugged in, try again, no display... Hmm.

Ok, now try DVI port, no display.. This is weird?

Ok, I got a few bits and pieces here, so I'm testing different memory configurations, 1 stick, 2 stick, different brands.. Decide memory is prob not the cause here..

Get a HD 7850 to try and see if that will give me display, but... It won't fit in the ITX case mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif so, I take everything back out the case and assemble it onto tray on floor, this is NOT fun..

Power up, get display !! Voila, 7850 is working fine thumb.gif.

Boot windows 7 disc, install windows... Configure bios to post with 'onboard' GPU and use 'HDMI'. No longer need the 7850 installed, the onboard GPU is working fine. PC has been turned off, rebooted and works fine every time using onboard GPU as display..

Hours go by, finished setting up Windows, everything is running perfect. Time to put it all back in the ITX case. NOTHING is changed, I move PC from tray into case, finished the build tidied cables. Power on the GPU, but.... No display mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif, all working fine all lights indicate everything is peachy, but no display..

Right, will try the 7850 again, take apart the entire mini ITX build once again. put on tray, this time 7850 does not want to work?! Thinking *** at this point.. So now the 7850 fans spin up but no display from either onboard or the GPU.

Test the GPU in another rig and it's fine..

So now I have an AMD APU system which will not give me display with the onboard GPU, thus defeating the entire purpose of the system winksmiley02.gif

I now have a dilema, do I try and send the parts back, unlikely I will get money back as they are used, do I buy a single slot GPU that willl fit in case, or is this system faulty or some weird issue that occurs with just these exact parts?!

Surely it should just work... I've had more fun getting teeth pulled and I mean that seriously lol.

So your APU+Motherboard works fine on a Tray but you don't get video output when it is installed inside the Mini-ITX Case?

Could you take a few photos of the Mini-ITX case with the APU & Motherboard installed in it?

Imo you should try to find out if which component is faulty in your system and send that one back to the seller for replacement(if it is defective they should either replace free of charge or give your a full refund).
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If I had to hazard a wild guess - I'd say that the motherboard may be faulty, try running it outside the case without it screwed down to the motherboard tray (just sit it on the motherboard box or something), I've had this happen before where when the motherboard was screwed down to the tray it would flex slightly and cause a PCIE slot to stop working.

In your case it may be a broken / cracked trace somewhere on the motherboard which is losing contact when the board is screwed down.

Let us know how you get on smile.gif
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So your APU+Motherboard works fine on a Tray but you don't get video output when it is installed inside the Mini-ITX Case?

Could you take a few photos of the Mini-ITX case with the APU & Motherboard installed in it?

It didn't work at all initially, I had to install a dedicated GPU to get a display. The only reason I had to build it on the tray was because the GPU wouldn't fit in the ITX case, It seems the native bios setup (I.e after CMOS) is set to use PCI-E display and not onboard, which when you think this is FM2 and heavily onboard orientated makes it bonkers !!

After it was setup outside the case with working GPU, I was able to enter the bios and set it use onboard GPU as standard. Then I removed the dedicated GPU and used onboard fine the entire time I was installing Windows. It was rebooted and turned off and started with display each time.

For some bizarre reason after moving the setup from tray to inside case, the onboard display no longer works....

When I tried dedicated GPU the second time, that didn't work either.. Really wierd.

I will up some pics tomorrow if get time, I don't plan on going near this PC again tonight lest I hurl it out into the street tongue.gif haha.
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If I had to hazard a wild guess - I'd say that the motherboard may be faulty, try running it outside the case without it screwed down to the motherboard tray (just sit it on the motherboard box or something), I've had this happen before where when the motherboard was screwed down to the tray it would flex slightly and cause a PCIE slot to stop working.

In your case it may be a broken / cracked trace somewhere on the motherboard which is losing contact when the board is screwed down.

Let us know how you get on smile.gif

Thanks, I think sending the board back for replacement or alternative might be good idea. All the other parts seem to work fine individually..
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Buy something useless like a 6450 and choose to run the GFX on the APU instead of the GPU wink.gifthumb.gif
     
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Buy something useless like a 6450 and choose to run the GFX on the APU instead of the GPU wink.gifthumb.gif

Good shout, just picked up a HD 5450 for £19.. Isn't gonna arrive till next week, will update thread when I can try that. Thanks for suggestions guys..
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Not to long ago I was feeling the same frustration you are now lol. Built my intel with out a hitch then my uncle comes along wants a little cheap pc... so I thought AMD mini atx would be good. Never again will I build a mini anything.
    
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I am having this same problem with an Asrock FM2 board! PC was running fine, then I installed some new ram and now there is no display via hdmi or vga. Hopefully one of us gets this figured out. I tried relieving some of the pressure on the mobo screws with no luck.
    
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hmm. From what Ive seen running the build outside of the tray works correct? I always benchtest my system outside of the case first to make sure everything is in order, install windows and then shut it down.
After that if I put it into a case and it doesnt boot then there is something shortening it out in the case. Usually the I/o Plate not properly on or theres and extra stand off or using the wrong screws for the stand offs. This happened to me with my first build.

@whitefro have you tried placing one stick of ram into Dimm 1 ? Sometimes the board can be finicky that way I built the exact same system for a server a few days ago.
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