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Yea, I may have miss worded my direction of my statement as well. I was implying they would start getting into the hardware profit margin they where seeking with the PS3. Getting green is nice, but banking money is what they are aiming for. Sadly it took nearly 6 years for the PS3 to reach that limit. Granted they had some amazing ideas, and tech. But like a user before posted, a net lose of nearly $450 a system is no longer a option.

1st year run is always a net lose. They accept that and plan for the future profits. Anyone who thinks a 10 year cycle time is acceptable is just insane. We really stalled progression and the gaming industry with keeping a system around for 8 years. PC's are twice as strong as consoles on average.

What excites me though is how they will maximize the APU and shared DDR5 memory. I wish we had more details on how they plan to handle this without lowering performance. I'm sure they have figured it out, but this is the most interesting part! With DDR5 memory releasing in the console we will finally get it for the PC as well. This will go great with the current cost/storage of SSD's, if you could pare for example a Samsung 840 with DDR5, the PC would reach new heights. Though we might see something better than DDR5, maybe a whole new memory style in 2014? Interesting times we live in!

Ahh then we are really in agreement! Hmm, how much you can't say in text. =( lol I always make a point when people don't put context into their text, as if we know how to take what they say. =P At least you didn't get all overly annoyed when I acted as such. Some people get all pissed about it, saying that I took i tout of context. Truth is, I don't read context if it isn't their. Though this wasn't that sort of an issue, it was just us not seeing eye-to-eye on exact meaning. Which I hate how some words are open to interpretation like that. =( Yeah, they should be all out of the red sometime by the 2nd year. Should, who knows though.

I'm excited because we can finally see the full potential of an APU. I've always said the strength of these chips is the ability to use them interchangeably. The idea behind HSA, it will make things much more efficient. When the CPU can't do a standard "CPU" task well, they can now offload it to the GPU. Best part, they share the same resources! BIZZAM! I love it, for once we have a chance to see hardware shine the way it should. Sometimes I look at my computer and frown, because I know it's not getting the justice it deserves. Even though C3 basically raped my machine, it was amazing to see it happen. For once we had a game where it pushed the limits of hardware. Granted, optimization isn't on par as it could have been. At least, that's how I see it. Still, it was good to see a company put the effort. Lets hope these new consoles can show the real strength of AMD hardware.
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Well, the PC version has PhysX, which not everyone on PC can use, and there's not a lot of good games with PhysX considering it's been out for like 6 years. So, while yes, the tech demo looks nicer on PC because there's more particles, it's still not the kind of thing we'd usually see on a typical PC game.

As for the lighting, I think people are grasping at straws here. All these side by side comparisons with AMD microstutter vs Nvidia are starting to show that there's an image quality difference between Nvidia and AMD. Hell, people are even saying Sleeping Dogs on Nvidia is flat out missing lights.

The big thing everyone is forgetting about PS4 is that it has Jaguar cores, which means AVX, BMI, etc, which means game developers are going to be able to target those instructions for games, and it's going to make it fly. You know the difference between x87 and SSE in a game like Skyrim? The difference between AVX and what we're using now is going to be just as big. That, and 8GB of GDDR5 is a lot of room to play with. Imagine how much of that ram the game itself is going to use just to function and imagine how much is going to be left for assets and high resolution textures. I'm expecting PS4 games to eat up 6GB of VRAM easily. That's not going to translate well to anything we have on PC except maybe Titan.

Just to take one demo, compare the two, and then to say PS4 is vastly inferior is a hasty generalization. We also don't know if the PS4 demo is even pushing the PS4 at all, let alone if it's near the maximum power of the PS4 (which I doubt it is).

But, as for the price, there's no way they're going to cost as much as last gen. Last gen MS and Sony could save a bunch of money through die shrinks. MS and AMD took Xenos from 90nm to 45nm in about 5 years. Now we have Nvidia saying that die shrinks aren't going to do much anymore and we're not seeing shrinks come as fast as we used to.

I think people are going to need to wake up and realize that even if Jaguar is weak compared to what we have, AVX and the rest of the instructions are going to blow us out of the water if we're not using those instructions on PC. I run Gentoo on my FX 8350 and I run FOSS benchmarks when I can to compare Gentoo with AVX and all the Piledriver goodies enabled, and Windows gets absolutely humiliated in Blender and if I ever get around to some x264 benchmarks, it'll probably get humiliated there too.

No one wants to admit their high end gaming rigs that have walked all over consoles for the last 5 years are about to get knocked down a peg, but it's probably going to happen.

I agree that if we look at the "here and now" we might have a issue if they could just LEAP into that framework of creation. However they CANNOT. A true AAA game takes 2-3 years to create effectively. You can toss out a FPS without much advancements in a year (cough) COD. However if you're expecting them to launch a game using 6GB of HDDR5 Vram your living in a cloud, and need to return to earth. Likely the devs have had a year with a production level dev kit to work with. However most teams have still been focusing on releasing final profit products for current generation.

To make it simple, the first "next" generation game that "might" use that 6GB Vram head room would be a late 2015 mid 2016 release. At that point we will already be in the GTX 800 series or early run of the GTX 900 series, or ATI 9000 series. AMD will also have their latest CPU release, and intel will likely have their 2nd "tick" CPU out since next year is the "tick" release. Not to mention that SSD's and memory have become so cheap most PC users will be running around with TB worth of SSD's and 16-24GB of DDR5 or like model memory.

Every thing you state is all based on the fact the console would need to release with devs pushing the tech, and they won't, they never have and I doubt they are even ready for HDDR5 shared memory since it will be brand spanking new.
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Are you kidding me? The PS3 was mind blowing for graphics 7 years ago when it launched.

Even today it is still being pushed, and as far as console gaming is concerned, does extremely well. Heck, go back several years, look at a game called Heavy Rain.

I replayed Heavy Rain not too long ago. As well as MGS4. Both still look "good", but have their shortcomings, probably because I just played through Crysis 3 on max settings though. I will agree with you on that some console games still look pretty damn good considering the hardware they're working with.
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And people jumped at my neck when I said it would benefit AMD-based systems.

It runs a Windows environment, uses Visual Studio, and runs on commercial x86 and GCN AMD hardware. It also runs over DX11 and OGL4.

It WILL mean a rather dramatic improvement on AMD-based systems.
   
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And people jumped at my neck when I said it would benefit AMD-based systems.

It runs a Windows environment, uses Visual Studio, and runs on commercial x86 and GCN AMD hardware. It also runs over DX11 and OGL4.

It WILL mean a rather dramatic improvement on AMD-based systems.

The development tools are windows based, they never stated the machine was going to be.
     
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Lovely news but I don't think Sony is too keen on releasing titles on PC?
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Lovely news but I don't think Sony is too keen on releasing titles on PC?
Unlike current gen consoles, alot of the work will translate over to PC very smoothly. Mostly because..the PS4 is a PC wrapped in a PlayStation logo
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Big whoop de do.

I can see the next BIG NEWSfron Sony. headline will read NEW DETAIL!!!!! Our system will come witha power supply and a covering! Yay us!!!

/ Major Sarcasm, rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
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Big whoop de do.

I can see the next BIG NEWSfron Sony. headline will read NEW DETAIL!!!!! Our system will come witha power supply and a covering! Yay us!!!

/ Major Sarcasm, rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

As a PC gamer purely I'm not excited about the "system" I"m excited over some new ideas that will translate into PC's as well. HDDR5 Shared memory for a good example. Until we can see what's it's capable of it's a fascinating idea. However, it's also uncharted for PC's and consoles. If it works, we will see our own PC's adding this tech, using our own RAM as Vram. Companies would be able to use the a easier to produce DDR5 Vram at say 2GB (normal) and anything else can be pulled by extra room vie HDDR5 on the motherboard of a PC.

I don't make alot of us are super excited over the "console" However we are interested in what this new implementation of tech will do for PC gaming.
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I don't make alot of us are super excited over the "console" However we are interested in what this new implementation of tech will do for PC gaming.

yeah, the only thing that has me excited about the next generation of consoles is what it means for PC games. We really truly should see some much better port jobs now that the guts are so similar/ same. Nextbox and ps4 may be really low-mid range PC's now but that should equate to just turning knobs for developers (although I do concede the direct access coding for consoles may still throw a wrench or two here and there) I'm genuinely excited that for once a port should be turn this knob down for ps4 , leave option to crank back up for PC. I also hope it means less "exclusives" i.e. uncharteds' and stuff. Tomb Raider did amazingly well not only because of it's namesake but because it was a PC uncharted (yes i know TR came first, that's not what I'm getting at biggrin.gif)

I'd be happy if my only gripes for next gen games were mouse/keyboard support type of issues compared to "can it even run properly" issues
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