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I am honestly baffled by the lack of foresightedness of people in this thread.

"But they'll own our games."
"Not when internet's so slow"
"Nvidia did this already"
"Cloud isn't the future."

Are you freaking kidding me?

umm, non local data storage is a privacy issue, not that your generation understands or care about privacy.

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Lets ignore for a second that its not always about gaming, I'll come back to that in a second.

confidential information is vulnerable on the cloud
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Lets subscribe to a world where AMD comes out with enterprise level technology, capable of streaming rendered video instantaneously over, lets say a single infiniband connection (Look it up if you don't know, I'll be referencing it a lot). Infiniband has already proven to do over 40GB/s like its not even a big deal. So, we're now talking about an insanely powerful network interface that, has been around a few years? But it can't do internet? No its just too expensive to do internet that way, but again, we're talking enterprise environment here. Expensive is par for the course. Instead of a series of powerful workstations throughout an office, we now just have a set of render tanks in the basement, and instantly streamed video to small scale rigs throughout the building. Imagine the development that could be done in such a powerful setup, with multiple people able to use the same filesharing techniques we already know and use, combined with this new shared gpu rendering, as well as, in the long run a more efficient system, as less heat and probably less power consumption.

our power gride sweats billions of watts a day, in transmission loss's, nothing will change that by moving everything to the cloud.
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With me so far? Better work, being done faster, for less, and better for the environment. Literally everyone wins.

cite some data please ?
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But as I said, its not about development, its about gaming, which reminds me of someone who made a mainframes comment (Which by the way those are still prevalent in today's society) which let me refer you to an equally outdated concept: The Arcade. We are already familiar with coffee shops and the like that provide a free cloud environment for users to work on or in, these machines are tiny and all run off a central server in the background. Simply add a few of these into the mix, and we're back at that same 80s music blasting, insert coin for awesome game times, with a key difference, modern games at blistering framerates, but, instead of the machines being big and hulky and as a result difficult to steal like old arcade machines were, but instead, tiny, almost hardware free machines, that'd be pointless to steal because they no longer have any off the beef in them to run the games, because again, managed by the central server.

nice pipedream, we are bound at the speed of light for wave propogation, if someone solves that, great !
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Hey look, a small business solution. I went from massive conglomerate to small independent owned business. I bet you can guess the next step:

there is no benefit for most business's to put data in the cloud, in fact its mostly negatives. Governments like the cloud, becuase they can better watch for tax evasion
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Lets assume the home network architecture gets an upgrade, which, again, it very easily could, and honestly would if any of us could afford it (Again, I hear you, I didn't want to pay 600 bucks for a super fast network card either) but again I'm not talking now but the future. Pop one or two of these in your standard 8 pci slot ATX rig. Combine with fast internal network, I don't know about you guys but I'm boasting over 1gb/s peer to peer in my home. This includes to 6 desktops, a nas server, and, the keystone to this point, 2 tvs. Normally right now to game on those, I have to cart my 78 pound main rig out there, take 30 minutes to set up everything, or bust out one of the other smaller rigs, and deal with lower frames/lower res. Now with this, I simply grab a wireless keyboard and mouse, a usb repeater, and sit down on the couch as it streams the gameplay to the television. Streaming peripherals signals and audio (wireless headphones) have been around for a long time, video is just catching up.

speed of light latency issues, aren't going away with all the bandwidth in the world. and thats before buffer bloats kills the latency curve.
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Now, a quick word on the nvidia thing, before I stop pretending that enterprise tech is made for gaming. Is anyone here actually foolish enough to believe that AMD is so immensely skilled that they could take a concept nvidia advertised a few months ago, and create a full fledged marketing plan, roadmap, technology, and marketable prototypes, in a few short months? Please say no I like to believe there's some smart left in these arguments thumb.gif come on, people don't just rip off these kinds of insanely complicated things that quickly, otherwise I guarantee someone would have beat google to HUD glasses by now (a cloud requiring technology I might add)

who gives a crap cloud is the new buzz word, its sounds sexier then "main frame"
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Now, its no longer about gaming, I guarantee there's an enterprise use for this technology just like there was for GK110s before titans (hint, teslas and quadros.) Maybe like something I already mentioned, cloud rendering for design/cad/media/editing/programming/modelling environments? Those seem like pretty big market sectors to me... Another thing is especially in the mobile presentation market. Someone in my line of work (mechanical cad/CNC programming) has to typically present their ideas in meetings, before committing time on multi thousand dollar machines with thousands more in materials on the line. Which means I need to take a powerful laptop or even a desktop into the meeting, show the models and simulations, and then lug all that gear around for the rest of the bloody work day or leave it in a locker (which, you guys might not trust an insecure signal with data, I don't trust a padlock with the protection of my main rig for example, so that isn't an option) With this, I could stream the simulation results and models from home or from work's servers instead of bothering with all of the setup. Not only do I have less to worry about, it takes less to maintain, which, again in business, time = money.

its about controlling data and acess and making a HAS or hardware as a service model to beat more revenue from the plebes.
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And why is it that everyone jumps to both internet and security when cloud gets mentioned.
A: Security on the internet is a debatable concept with a ton of grey area at best.
B: Unless you bank on the internet what do you really, REALLY have to loose?
C: Small clouds could be used on networks without internet, everyone's probably run into a NAS at some point in there life by now.
D: If you're really worried about your security, maybe a place full of unidentified strangers with myriads of miscellaneous skills would not be a good place to be? I guarantee there's at least one person on OCN that could hack your account, get some personal info and the like with minimal challenge.

why risk your data and intelectual property ? why doesn;t your generation value privacy ?
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And if cloud WASN'T the future, which its not its the now, sorry to say, but it is, several of the biggest companies wouldn't dump millions to billions of dollars into it. And as for owning our games, do we really? You can't lend copies to friends easily, you have to usually register for something, and use a CD key that once you use you can't play with anyone with a similar key. This was all well and good, in 2003, now we have online DRM, on disc DRM, content managers (Origin, Steam), and always online nonsense like with simcity 5. What more are they going to take from us?

main frames, were all the rage, when it was exspensive to build portable or small form factor computing power. the entire industry is evolving away from the cloud. Its a solution looking for a problem.
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Personally I see this as an opportunity, as perhaps with this technology I will no longer have to install content I don't own onto harddrives I do own, I can just stream it from a service like steam, and enjoy playing the games without any worry about anything other than a subscription cost, as opposed to buying a game and no longer playing it, plus having to keep upgrading the rig.

sure you'll keep paying to "upgrade" the rig, it just won't be your rig and you won't get the upgrade as soon or as inexspensively
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There's LOTS of room for this tech, I don't know why anyone would be so misguided to think there isn't.

its your $ and privacy, don't insist the rest of us join your insanity
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umm, non local data storage is a privacy issue, not that your generation understands or care about privacy.

No my "generation" isn't so insecure about itself, nor is it dumb enough to keep matters of privacy on public places like the internet or even computers. And if there are people that stupid, well, Darwin principle, social and physical survival of the fittest.
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confidential information is vulnerable on the cloud

Well guess what, you just posted on a site that logs your ip, with that information I could have your address in 4 minutes, first and last name in probably under 10, and your drivers license in under 20. See how scary the reality that we live in now is? I thought the american people we worried about phone taps and crap, fact is why bother, people already can own your personal information in minutes (see FBI/CIA) with the technology we already have. All you're doing is seeing new technology and busting out a tinfoil hat, and all I'm doing is telling you is that its nothing new, but merely an improvement.
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our power gride sweats billions of watts a day, in transmission loss's, nothing will change that by moving everything to the cloud.
cite some data please ?

Look up the TDP of 10 680s, and then the tdp of 3 GK110 teslas, (probably hard to find, but the 1730 watts of the 10 680s vs the 750 watts of 3 titans and comparable compute performance my point is made.)

If you need a real world example the cad lab I work in has an octal cpu 128 core server, that uses at most 2 killowats, and allows 30 other computers at under 300watts a piece to do all their cad calculations and rendering server side, and send the results back upon completion. If you even up each machine by 10 watts we're already talking more than the 2kw required to run that server. Honestly think vehicles, a fleet of 18 wheelers pollute more than a train but a train can pull a ton more. Common sense...
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nice pipedream, we are bound at the speed of light for wave propogation, if someone solves that, great !

Yes, because the human eye can totally notice things moving at the speed of light, it takes light waves from the sun 8 minutes to reach earth. do you really think if you were on the moon you'd notice the suns rays taking longer to reach you? Come on. Again, talking inconceivable amounts of time, something YOUR generation loves to obsess over for no apparent reason.
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there is no benefit for most business's to put data in the cloud, in fact its mostly negatives. Governments like the cloud, becuase they can better watch for tax evasion
speed of light latency issues, aren't going away with all the bandwidth in the world. and thats before buffer bloats kills the latency curve.

No matter how much you want to talk about SLL its still a fraction of a second you could not even begin to comprehend the amount of decimals in. And its your turn to use a buzz word "Tax evasion" Nice try to spin this into a political argument about money, no. Again, I guess you must be too paranoid to use a banks online website too. Please don't pass out tinfoil hats to everyone and claim its about the money when it never has been in this argument.
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who gives a crap cloud is the new buzz word, its sounds sexier then "main frame"

Who gives a crap about the wording? How did this statement even contribute to the conversation?! Especially with the section of my argument you quoted?!
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its about controlling data and acess and making a HAS or hardware as a service model to beat more revenue from the plebes.

And at the same time creating more jobs, so giving more money to the "plebes" as a whole. As well as taking away the cost for maintenance off the "plebes" and putting it on the business owners. Straw-man argument bro...
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why risk your data and intelectual property ? why doesn;t your generation value privacy ?

Why is yours so paranoid about it? Everything on this computer I have nothing to hide from. I have a nas in my home with public access for anyone to store files on, I'm not worried there. What's the difference between me hosting my files, and them hosting my files, its not like if I had say, some privatized miracle cure for cancer (hey look more buzzwords, cure for cancer, that's a big one) that some pharmaceutical company wouldn't hire some hacker to get into my nas and steal it, and if thats what it took, I'm sure other criminal activity wouldn't be too far of a stones throw away either. If someone really, really needs something you have. Having a digital copy of it at all is unsafe. Doesn't matter where its stored.
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main frames, were all the rage, when it was exspensive to build portable or small form factor computing power. the entire industry is evolving away from the cloud. Its a solution looking for a problem.

I don't know what market sector you work in, but the one I work in, the average rig to do the work I need to do costs upwards of 5000 dollars, each rig. That's expensive, yet, again, a single server to do it costed only around 12000. And all that was easily saved on other rig costs.
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sure you'll keep paying to "upgrade" the rig, it just won't be your rig and you won't get the upgrade as soon or as inexspensively
its your $ and privacy, don't insist the rest of us join your insanity

Yes, I'm insane because I don't agree with you. This feels like a religion debate now. I dont agree, airfore I'm totally insane. Come on.
Come on.
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I have no idea what people are fretting about. This is NOT a replacement for your desktop now or anytime in the foreseeable future. This is about weak platforms that can't produce the IQ or frame rates on its own hardware, e.g. mobile platforms.

This latency talk is even more ridiculous. Do you guys even play online games? You do realize that there is no added time to transfer your inputs compared to streaming HD video. Its not like button presses are some damning bandwidth hog. If anything, its probably faster latency wise than mp merely because you are the only client the server is catering to for that one specific game.
     
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I have no idea what people are fretting about. This is NOT a replacement for your desktop now or anytime in the foreseeable future. This is about weak platforms that can't produce the IQ or frame rates on its own hardware, e.g. mobile platforms.

This latency talk is even more ridiculous. Do you guys even play online games? You do realize that there is no added time to transfer your inputs compared to streaming HD video. Its not like button presses are some damning bandwidth hog. If anything, its probably faster latency wise than mp merely because you are the only client the server is catering to for that one specific game.

In most online games, latency is accounted for. It's called lag compensation, and most games have it. It's why you'll sometimes be killed even if you're behind a wall or around the corner where the opposing player wouldn't be able to hit you. This is with your computer doing some of the number-crunching right at your side, which makes it seem like most the time there's no problem. However streaming is impossible to compensate for (at current time) because you can't really predict what a human character is going to do next in the detail we do it at.

And there is not going to be a server per person, I guarantee that. In fact due to the sheer amount a server would have to process, there'd probably be much fewer of them around the globe than there are multiplayer servers. There also won't be any sort of community servers for streaming, like online games have.

Comparing streaming to multiplayer games just isn't accurate.
    
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@SniperTeamTango: well we had few weeks ago that EA banned entire Origin accounts for canceling payments on a single game and they are closing down servers of games older than 5 years. so yeah on steam origin uplay we customers are actually hostages who can get a bullet between eyes anytime higher power decides

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@SniperTeamTango: well we had few weeks ago that EA banned entire Origin accounts for canceling payments on a single game and they are closing down servers of games older than 5 years. so yeah on steam origin uplay we customers are actually hostages who can get a bullet between eyes anytime higher power decides

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I do believe this was part of my point, aka this is nothing new...
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No my "generation" isn't so insecure about itself, nor is it dumb enough to keep matters of privacy on public places like the internet or even computers. And if there are people that stupid, well, Darwin principle, social and physical survival of the fittest.
Well guess what, you just posted on a site that logs your ip, with that information I could have your address in 4 minutes, first and last name in probably under 10, and your drivers license in under 20. See how scary the reality that we live in now is? I thought the american people we worried about phone taps and crap, fact is why bother, people already can own your personal information in minutes (see FBI/CIA) with the technology we already have. All you're doing is seeing new technology and busting out a tinfoil hat, and all I'm doing is telling you is that its nothing new, but merely an improvement.
Look up the TDP of 10 680s, and then the tdp of 3 GK110 teslas, (probably hard to find, but the 1730 watts of the 10 680s vs the 750 watts of 3 titans and comparable compute performance my point is made.)

If you need a real world example the cad lab I work in has an octal cpu 128 core server, that uses at most 2 killowats, and allows 30 other computers at under 300watts a piece to do all their cad calculations and rendering server side, and send the results back upon completion. If you even up each machine by 10 watts we're already talking more than the 2kw required to run that server. Honestly think vehicles, a fleet of 18 wheelers pollute more than a train but a train can pull a ton more. Common sense...
Yes, because the human eye can totally notice things moving at the speed of light, it takes light waves from the sun 8 minutes to reach earth. do you really think if you were on the moon you'd notice the suns rays taking longer to reach you? Come on. Again, talking inconceivable amounts of time, something YOUR generation loves to obsess over for no apparent reason.
No matter how much you want to talk about SLL its still a fraction of a second you could not even begin to comprehend the amount of decimals in. And its your turn to use a buzz word "Tax evasion" Nice try to spin this into a political argument about money, no. Again, I guess you must be too paranoid to use a banks online website too. Please don't pass out tinfoil hats to everyone and claim its about the money when it never has been in this argument.
Who gives a crap about the wording? How did this statement even contribute to the conversation?! Especially with the section of my argument you quoted?!
And at the same time creating more jobs, so giving more money to the "plebes" as a whole. As well as taking away the cost for maintenance off the "plebes" and putting it on the business owners. Straw-man argument bro...
Why is yours so paranoid about it? Everything on this computer I have nothing to hide from. I have a nas in my home with public access for anyone to store files on, I'm not worried there. What's the difference between me hosting my files, and them hosting my files, its not like if I had say, some privatized miracle cure for cancer (hey look more buzzwords, cure for cancer, that's a big one) that some pharmaceutical company wouldn't hire some hacker to get into my nas and steal it, and if thats what it took, I'm sure other criminal activity wouldn't be too far of a stones throw away either. If someone really, really needs something you have. Having a digital copy of it at all is unsafe. Doesn't matter where its stored.
I don't know what market sector you work in, but the one I work in, the average rig to do the work I need to do costs upwards of 5000 dollars, each rig. That's expensive, yet, again, a single server to do it costed only around 12000. And all that was easily saved on other rig costs.

Yes, I'm insane because I don't agree with you. This feels like a religion debate now. I dont agree, airfore I'm totally insane. Come on.
Come on.


$5000 dollars for a rig ? whos gives 2 craps, do you know what a engineer salary is ? no body care about hardware exspense unless it involves tooling and production parts. . No body. Obviously you don't have much business accument, very few if any business stand in anyway to benefit from the "cloud" which is just a slik new marketing term for mainframe.

in fact, the entire market is evolving to more powerful, small sized, handheld devices, it is not evolving towards big iron mainframes with time sharing.

and latency is a huge deal

I don't thihnk your insane, I suspect your ignorant and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

no thanks, we are not equall, no matter how much you wish it to be so, be content following
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$5000 dollars for a rig ? whos gives 2 craps, do you know what a engineer salary is ? no body care about hardware exspense unless it involves tooling and production parts. . No body. Obviously you don't have much business accument, very few if any business stand in anyway to benefit from the "cloud" which is just a slik new marketing term for mainframe.

in fact, the entire market is evolving to more powerful, small sized, handheld devices, it is not evolving towards big iron mainframes with time sharing.

and latency is a huge deal

I don't thihnk your insane, I suspect your ignorant and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

no thanks, we are not equall, no matter how much you wish it to be so, be content following

Clearly you have no idea how consequential a difference in equipment cost of over 4600 dollars per computer (in a lab with 50 computers, thats 230000 dollars) that a company doesn't need to spend.

The world is not evolving to smaller devices, phones and tablets will NEVER replace the workstation in the enterprise environment, and I have a series of medical tests I'd recommend getting if you believe that'll happen.

Latency in the picosecond is not a big deal, let alone smaller...

I am content, are you? Seeing as someone feels a need to call names, also, I find it laughable that someone has the audacity to be rude to me and they can't even spell the words they are trying to be rude with correctly. thumb.gif
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So many of the posts in this thread made me facepalm...

The title obviously was a journalist's ploy to get more hits. So many of you did not read beyond the title. Trying to expand to a new market (cloud computing) does not mean that they're going to neglect their proven base market (discrete GPUs for consumers and workstation cards), especially since they mostly use the same hardware anyways. And AMD can definitely use more markets for more revenue...
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