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Originally Posted by Nowyn View Post

This.

Also forgive me if I would take a post from a user with 0 rep and 12 total posts with a username "7970user" bashing Nvidia with a grain of salt, especially with a proof being a post from some dude claiming Nvidia stole his algorithm doh.gif

lol yeah.
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jojojo look at this one
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So let me get this straight, some random web user says that NV stole his algorithm, and that it lowers image quality. He and others then continue to provide absolutely no proof.

I'm sorry but what.

E: and this knyz guy actually doesn't even know what he's talking about seeing his posts on the NV forums...
 
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Well all I can tell you is that TR looks better on my 7950 and 7970 than it does on my GTX670 visually my AMD rigs look better so what ever that means but then again I have noticed that on not just TR but other games to.
 
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I'm not taking sides on this one but what I have to say is that if Nvidia are going to lower image quality for performance with their drivers they should at least tell the public about it and give them a choice of drivers for either quality or performance which would probably even win them fans.

Now if this Knyz guy is telling the truth then that's not very ethical of Nvidia, they should at least give him credit, otherwise he could just be another Nvidia basher.
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I'm not taking sides on this one but what I have to say is that if Nvidia are going to lower image quality for performance with their drivers they should at least tell the public about it and give them a choice of drivers for either quality or performance which would probably even win them fans.

Now if this Knyz guy is telling the truth then that's not very ethical of Nvidia, they should at least give him credit, otherwise he could just be another Nvidia basher.

as already said in this thread, the floating point computing power 64>16 makes 0 difference in visual quality.


but it does occur to me that with the latests tests from pcper on frame times and ACTUAL fps output of the 7970's being half of what benchmarks are reporting, that a lot of amd fans are running around in a panic.
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as already said in this thread, the floating point computing power 64>16 makes 0 difference in visual quality.


but it does occur to me that with the latests tests from pcper on frame times and ACTUAL fps output of the 7970's being half of what benchmarks are reporting, that a lot of amd fans are running around in a panic.

AMD fans are not running around because they panic, they are running around because they know its BS from PCPer and an over-hyped review.

You shouldn't make your mind with a single review. PCPer are using only 3 games. There are like millions of games.

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It all still comes down to evaluating the end user gaming experience and how well the hardware allows you to achieve you wants and needs on this front. Frame time data collection will never be something that any users can use at home easily so it will never be more than a review data point. Focus on the user experience will still have the most impact on video card sales making sure the end user gets what he wants and needs.

It says we can't base all our conclusions on these frame tests. User experience has a huge part in this. thumb.gif
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If this is true... it's going to blow up big
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It says we can't base all our conclusions on these frame tests. User experience has a huge part in this. thumb.gif

User experience is highly dependent on confirmation bias and avoiding cognitive dissonance. As such, many AMD fans are reflexively discounting any hard data showing problems and instead are relying on their inherently-flawed senses.
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