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in the process of building a new computer and was piecing all the components together, and have most picked. I found that most of the stuff can be bought at microcenter cheap so I'm thinking why not buy it all from there (or at least most). Also, I was told by an employee that I can easily haggle down the price with the manager if I buy a bunch of components. might be enough to save at least the tax on all this.

EDIT: reason for build / monitor that im using / purpose of computer
I have recently come into a bit of free time (graduating medical school soon so I'm coasting these last couple months) and seriously want to get back into gaming. I love first person shooters and action games but haven't been able to do any of that because I forced myself to use a dell mini 9 throughout school. I'll be buying a new monitor (my current one is a 32 inch westinghouse @1366x768) and plan to also do some light photography and possible continue some cad work on potential patent idea's / products I haven't gotten to yet.


parts I believe to be solid choices:

159.99 Corsair graphite series 600T white mid tower case

229.99 Intel Core I7 3770K due to price

99.99 16 GB (8x2) corsair vengeance DDR3 1600

choices I need help with:

1. hard drive: is blue really better then black?

89.99 WD Black 1 TB 7200 WD1002FAEX

79.99 WD Blue 1 TB 7200 WD10EZEX

2. power supply: thinking 750W modular but microcenter doesnt have the seasonic I want so choices then become

129.99 EVGA NEX750G

127.99 corsair HX 750

or just get the 99.99 seasonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI from Newegg (pretty much have to buy it today or price hikes up 20 bucks)

Things I've become clueless about thanks to forums etc:

1. motherboard (bad news for me right)

I was thinking about the ASrock extreme6 for 144.99 from microcenter then heard bad things will happen onced OC'd. Have also been thinking that this board isn't terrible and its cheap enough that I can replace it if i want for the 1150 socket boards coming out later

2. graphics card(s)

had my eyes on the EVGA 02G-P4-2678-KR NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 FTW Superclocked 2048MB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 for 379.99 but was told that is so much overkill for anybody doing anything even if they were doing anything all the time.

If I leave it as such the total comes to 1100 minus the power supply (cause i really want the seasonic for some reason)
as for ssd drives I am content in patiently waiting for prices to fall a little more.
I would like to know what you guys think of this setup...
specifically:
-should i jump on the seasonic psu asap?
-is there any components here that would be better served if i bought a different brand outside of microcenter?
-please help with mobo and graphics, its like im going in circles with this
-also I would like to improve the look of my case specifically using a bright orange color if you could direct me to things i can do to my case/wires easily id appreciate it.
Thanks for the help will be checking back in the morning...

edit: I price checked all these vs amazon and newegg, newegg has the evga graphics for 369.99 and the wd blue drive for $5 cheaper. Amazon being $6 cheaper on the vengeance, $7 on the wd blue drive, and $10 cheaper on the evga psu. Which means i should try for at least a $50 discount from microcenter if they do in fact give me any money back.
Edited by subwayhello - 3/28/13 at 1:28am
post #2 of 27
Please include purpose for this build and the resolution of your monitor in your first post. This will help others to be informed about your needs and they will be able to advise you accordingly.

About HDD : I've read on this forum that Black is better than Blue. The pricing suggest the same. Dont have any proof though.
About PSU : I've never even heard of EVGA PSUs. But everyone recommends the Corsair and Seasonic PSUs on this forum. Both of them should be good and should provide a solid performance. Get the Seasonic if you want it more than the Corsair one.
About Motherboard : I cant comment about overclocking on that particular board. But its an LGA1155 board and so is the CPU. If you plan on switching to LGA1150, you'll have to change your CPU as well at that time.
About GPU : If you're gaming, whether or not a GPU is overkill will depend on what resolution you'll be gaming at. But if you need a card with the performance of a 670 irrespective of that and you're not hell bent on going with nvidia, AMD's 7950 costs much less than that and will provide similar performance if not more.
About case : If you're into modding, then you can do lots with your case. Maybe get some parts colored in orange and get the cables sleeved in orange. But I doubt that orange will go with the white of the 600T. Thats just me though.

Hope this helps! thumb.gif
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Here's my take:

I think that the new WD Blue WD10EZEX would be preferable for the HDD. It's a single-platter model (unlike the WD Black WD1002FAEX), which increases its data density and reliability by a fair amount. It's currently available at Amazon for $72.

That Seasonic X-Series 750w is a great power supply, and the price you listed can't be beat. It should provide plenty of headroom should you choose go with 2 video cards in the future.

The motherboard I'd recommend would be the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H (available for $140 at Amazon and $155 at Microcenter). It's quite popular around these parts. The ASRock Z77 Extreme6 isn't as bad as you make it out to be however, I think you may have it confused with the Extreme4 which is sub-par.

You can get that Corsair Vengeance RAM at Amazon for $94 currently. It's excellent RAM, and the way things are going its price will only get higher in the future.

Without knowing your monitor's resolution (i.e. 1280 x 1024, 1920 x 1080, etc.), preferred video card manufacturer (AMD vs. NVIDIA), and what games you like to play, it's hard to give solid advice for a GPU. However, I'll give you a few NVIDIA recommendations based on various price-points, assuming you'll be using a single 1920 x 1080 monitor:

EVGA GTX 650 Ti BOOST "Superclocked" (02G-P4-3658-KR) $186
EVGA GTX 660 "Superclocked" (02G-P4-2662-KR) $205 after $10 MIR
EVGA GTX 660 Ti "Superclocked" (02G-P4-3662-KR) $290 after $15 MIR
EVGA GTX 670 "FTW" (02G-P4-2678-KR) $370 after $20 MIR

All 4 should be available at Microcenter, but I linked the best prices I could find. Note that I picked EVGA as the AIB/vendor of all 4 examples largely due to their generally excellent customer service. Other good makers of NVIDIA-based cards are ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI.

Here's a link to a CHART that compares the relative performance of all 4 aforementioned cards (along with other current models). The lowest models I'd recommend for gaming at 1920 x 1080 would be NVIDIA's GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2GB and AMD's Radeon 7850 2GB, both of which are largely comparable in performance.

One last thing: I strongly suggest getting an SSD to complement the HDD. A good 120GB SSD costs can be bought for just under $100, and using it to load Windows and run other key applications would greatly enhance your computing experience. A couple recommendations in that price range include the following:

Samsung 840 120GB $93
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB $97

EDIT: Fixed some typos, errors, and omissions.
Edited by svenge - 3/28/13 at 2:40am
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thanks for the quick replies, and sorry about leaving all that (really important) stuff out its almost 4am here... I have recently come into a bit of free time (graduating medical school soon so I'm coasting these last couple months) and seriously want to get back into gaming. I love first person shooters and action games but haven't been able to do any of that because I forced myself to use a dell mini 9 throughout school. I'll be buying a new monitor (my current one is a 32 inch westinghouse @1366x768) and plan to also do some light photography and possible continue some cad work on potential patent idea's / products I haven't gotten to yet. So basically my longest relationship (sally mae) is funding this well deserved endeavor which helps tremendously (but still cant go crazy, debts above 350k)

ill address both replies in the same post if i can stay awake....
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About HDD : I've read on this forum that Black is better than Blue. The pricing suggest the same. Dont have any proof though.
About PSU : I've never even heard of EVGA PSUs. But everyone recommends the Corsair and Seasonic PSUs on this forum. Both of them should be good and should provide a solid performance. Get the Seasonic if you want it more than the Corsair one.
About Motherboard : I cant comment about overclocking on that particular board. But its an LGA1155 board and so is the CPU. If you plan on switching to LGA1150, you'll have to change your CPU as well at that time.
About GPU : If you're gaming, whether or not a GPU is overkill will depend on what resolution you'll be gaming at. But if you need a card with the performance of a 670 irrespective of that and you're not hell bent on going with nvidia, AMD's 7950 costs much less than that and will provide similar performance if not more.
About case : If you're into modding, then you can do lots with your case. Maybe get some parts colored in orange and get the cables sleeved in orange. But I doubt that orange will go with the white of the 600T. Thats just me though
Hope this helps!

About HDD : I thought black was better until i saw the thread here, still kind of confused about it.
About PSU : ill be getting the Seasonic, im sure ill love it!
About Motherboard : yup, hopefully it wont need to come to that but since i know about it i dont want to dump crazy cash into a mobo and processor
About GPU : I used to LOVE nvidia, then school removed me from any brand loyalties built from my childhoold, going to check some of the AMD 7950's and compare
About case : yeah i have to see if the black 600T comes with a window instead of just a screen, its cheaper which is a plus and im ecstatic about the features of the case (cable management and huge fans) regardless of the color (but i think black works better then white or silver with orange)
Oh if you only new how awesome it is to have people be friendly and share their knowledge honestly! (med school breeds crazy competition)


Quote:
Here's my take:

I think that the new WD Blue WD10EZEX would be preferable for the HDD. It's a single-platter model (unlike the WD Black WD1002FAEX), which increases its data density and reliability by a fair amount. It's currently available at Amazon for $72.

The Seasonic G-Series is a great power supply, and the price you listed can't be beat.

The motherboard I'd recommend would be the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H (available for $140 at Amazon and $155 at Microcenter). It's quite popular around these parts. The ASRock Z77 Extreme6 isn't as bad as you make it out to be however, I think you may have it confused with the Extreme4 which is sub-par.

You can get that Corsair Vengeance RAM at Amazon for $94 currently. It's excellent RAM, and the way things are going its price will only get higher in the future.

Without knowing your monitor's resolution (i.e. 1280 x 1024, 1920 x 1080, etc.), preferred video card manufacturer (AMD vs. NVIDIA), and what games you like to play, it's hard to give solid advice for a GPU. However, I'll give you a few NVIDIA recommendations based on various price-points, assuming you'll be using a single 1920 x 1080 monitor:

EVGA 660 Superclocked (02G-P4-2662-KR) $205 after $10 MIR
EVGA GTX 660 Ti Superclocked (02G-P4-3662-KR) $290 after $15 MIR
EVGA GTX 670 FTW (02G-P4-2678-KR) $370 after $20 MIR

Note that I picked EVGA as the AIB/vendor of all 3 examples largely due to their generally excellent customer service. Other good manufacturers of NVIDIA cards are ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI.

One last thing: I strongly suggest getting an SSD to complement the HDD. A good 120GB SSD costs can be bought for just under $100, and using it to load Windows and run other key applications would greatly enhance your computing experience. A couple recommendations in that price range include the following:

Samsung 840 120GB $93
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB $97

-sounds reasonable about the drive , and I'll try to get microcenter to pricematch some things for my customer loyalty if not getting it wherever its cheaper.
-further confirmation about the seasonic, if i wasn't so delirious right now id buy it, but will do tomorrow morning
-going to check it out tomorrow morning (sorry getting really tired now) and compare against the extreme 6
-youve reinforced the fact that i have to call microcenter tomorrow to see if they will meet my price match demands
-I'm pretty sure ill just use only one high end monitor (unless more is better somehow? have to check eyefinity tomorrow as well (if thats what your taling about))
-wow those graphics cards idk have to check lol sleeping in between typing
-will check the samsung i think i saw an ad for it on newegg, yeah i know the benefits but im thinking if i fill up the ssd then ill have to put some programs into the other drive? is it possible to fill up that much space with programs?

ok im really freaking tired now ill have to check this tomorrow and probably delete half of what i wrote cause it probably doesnt make any sense (sorry about that)

like i said previously im really grateful for the info and advice!!! thanks again, ill post again tomorrow here any folllow up questions / info.
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It's really quite difficult to fill a 120GB SSD with just programs alone, and not games/videos/etc. My advice would be to put your most heavily-used programs (Windows, MS Office, various utilities, etc.) there first, and then the rest of the space can be used for other non-critical apps and/or a couple of your favorite games that you play all the time. Everything else can go on your standard HDD.

As for monitors, one good 1920 x 1080 monitor is enough for most people, but 2560 x 1440 monitors are increasing in popularity despite their cost. Also, some hard-core gamers like to have 3 side-by-side screens (using NVIDIA Surround or AMD's Eyefinity) for first-player shooters and the such, but it takes a rather beefy video card (or two!) to run well.

Lastly, don't forget to get an aftermarket HSF! You'll certainly need one if you plan to overclock, as Intel's stock cooler won't cut it for that. A good, inexpensive one would be Cooler Master's Hyper 212 EVO for $30. It should be able to cool the 3770K up to the low-4.x GHz range easily.
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woke up earlier today and newegg is out of stock for the seasonic psu, go figure. chatted with newegg who helplessly said Im sol, oh well getting the Corsair Professional Series HX 750 Watt ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Gold (HX750) for 119 (20 bucks diff isnt that bad), it goes with the rest of my corsair components i guess haha
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woke up earlier today and newegg is out of stock for the seasonic psu, go figure. chatted with newegg who helplessly said Im sol, oh well getting the Corsair Professional Series HX 750 Watt ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Gold (HX750) for 119 (20 bucks diff isnt that bad), it goes with the rest of my corsair components i guess haha

Don't worry about it, the HX750 is a very good PSU as well.
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had some time to look into motherboards and narrowed it down to these 3:

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD4H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

ASUS P8Z77-V LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


also, spoke with microcenter and they said if they have it in stock they are willing to pricematch my items to either amazon / newegg if I purchase most of my build at the store. Had to go into the store to ask, as their website and phone numbers were useless. Each mobo has its own merits, but its getting awfully hard to decide which one I want. Advice here would be really really helpful.


build so far:
600T white case (my housemate is a prof artist, so hopefully custom paint on the white case will be happening)
Core I7 3770k
16 gb corsair vengeance
wd blue 1tb
corsair hx750


needed:
-CPU cooling thinking either these two
7.99 Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound
29.99 Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Universal CPU Cooler
or
59.99 CORSAIR Hydro series H50 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

-one of the mobo's listed above

-a graphics card (what im looking into next)

Thanks for the help!
Edited by subwayhello - 3/30/13 at 4:29pm
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I'd take the -UD4H. The Gigabyte -UD4H is a newer (as Z77 boards go) 8+2+1 model that has slight tweaks as compared to the earlier -UD3H and -UD5H models to improve performance by a bit.

In comparison, the ASUS P8Z77-V is overpriced for what you get (and its "WiFI GO!" card has a proprietary interface, limiting its value) and uses a doubler for the VRMs. The ASRock Z77 Extreme6 is less expensive, but it uses analog VRMs. Neither motherboard really strike my fancy.
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Id say start out with the Hyper 212 with 1 fan and price match some cougar fans at Microcenter - got 4.8ghz on my 212, and make sure you apply it right.

There is a thermal compound comparison thread and application you can look up ... but the best transfer of heat is metal to metal contact with only the perfect smallest amount needed to fit the voids that cant make metal to metal contact ...

get that SSD too ... overcharge a patient if you have to ... to get the 256 pro Samsung!

I like the gigabyte of the boards you listed and use the 3H.
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