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Greetings to everyone here!

I am considering to build a new rig, but im not in a hurry, and im considering the thought of this :

1. Should i wait till the new mobo's with the 4th gen intel processors to come out?
2. Buy a 3th gen CPU's or 2nd or just buy the 4th ( Maxwell ) ?
3. If im building a rig, should i buy a MITX or MATX just for 1-2 cards ? whats the difference ? ( the diff in the future options ).
4. What single card should i get ? or should i just buy 2 ? if 2 what kind or type ?

I had a friend that have a PC store telling me that AMD's CPU tech is amazing, that lets you have a inner GPU ( APU within the CPU ) that can CrossFire with external GPU card ? is that correct ? please be in details with the difference with Nvidia's GPU's !

-- Edit : is Titan's card considerable or wait till the 7xx/8xx series ? for huge performance upgrade & output experience ?

5. What kind/power should i put in my mind to put into my rig, a PSU ? how much watts / type & size ?
6. About the keyboards, lol should i go extreme with wireless ones, or wired ? difference ?

I Thank you all in advance looking into this! thumb.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by Phobia - 3/28/13 at 11:20am
post #2 of 33
Wow, that's a lot of questions so I'll try and break it down a bit:

1. Depends on what you have now
2. Also depends, and you can''t use a 2nd / 3rd gen chip in the 4th gen boards, they are different sockets.
3. mATX can support 2x cards, mITX just one, if you definitely plan on CF/SLI I'd stick with standard ATX since there's more room.
4. Depends on what games you play and what resolution you game at.
5. Depends on what you put in your system, for a single card config with a decent chip etc, you won't need more than a *quality* 500w unit.,
6. Wired would be preferable IMO, but if you're going to sit on the couch and game, then that's that.

As for AMD APUs, yea they have on-die GPUs, and can hybrid crossfire, but only with lower-level cards.
That kind of a setup is best suited for budget gaming and use for multi-media.

I know that didn't fully answer all your questions, but you need to give us a bit more info so we can do that smile.gif
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Haswell CPUs are coming out soon but of course the price is going up quite a bit. You can get a 3570k or 3770k for $150-$200 less than the Haswell equivalent i5/i7, it just depends how much you want to spend. The prices Im going with are just leaks, so its not 100% set in stone, it could be lower by the time they launch. If you dont mind spending a bit extra for the newer generation CPU even though its only marginally more powerful, go for it. If the cost of this build is a concern, Ivy Bridge will be the way to go.

MITX is a very small form factor. Which of these you choose is up to you. Typically MITX boards go in cases that are specifically designed with small size in mind. If youre going to build a standard PC in a tower case, its most likely going to be ATX or MATX.

The AMD processors your friend mentioned is their line of APUs. They are great processors, the onboard graphics smoke anything Intel has to offer. APUs like the A10-5800k have a 7660D GPU built into the processor. If you purchase a separate AMD HD6670, you can run it in in Crossfire with the APU's onboard 7660. IMO, you dont buy an APU to run a second card in crossfire. You buy an APU specifically because of the onboard video capability. If you need more powerful graphics than what an APU has to offer, you would be better off getting a regular CPU and running a more powerful discrete GPU.

What PSU you buy will be determined by the components in your system. Some components draw more power, some less. Figure out what CPU and GPU you want, then you can easily narrow down your PSU.

Keyboards are entirely subjective. Some people act like mechanical keyboards are the best thing in the world. Some people dont see what the hype is about. Some people hate the horrible racket that mechanical keyboards make, while others hate the feel of a rubber dome. Wired vs wireless still depends on your preference.
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I dont know your price range. But you could take a gander at the Win Your Ultimate Rig Contest to see a ton of cool ideal setups.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1347005/win-your-ultimate-rig-12-rigs-total/0_20

1. If you are going with a discrete GPU, Ivy is still worth getting as Haswell is really just a graphics upgrade to Ivy so it seems?
2. see number 1 ?
3. This depends on the amount of space you want this rig to take up...can't go wrong with a mid size tower that can take ATX, mATX etc

4. Hmmm...this is tough...again depends on available funds...Titan is the big boy...but it's $1000. A 7970 GE is beast and even the 7950 with boost can be had for 30% of the Titan price...you can always Xfire later or just grab a duel Titans if you have the cash.


-- Edit : No one knows yet

5. What kind/power should i put in my mind to put into my rig, a PSU ? how much watts / type & size ? depends mostly on the GPU you are using...most manufacturers will give you suggestions on power wattage, I suggest doing some research on 12v rail amperage to become a better consumer and for your rigs safety.
6. Keyboards and mice are preference in my opinion. I use a wireless kb and mouse that I bought for like $25. Seems fine. Couldn't tell you the difference from a $100 kb and mouse. Never owned one.
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post #5 of 33
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I thank you guys for replying that fast & being helpful enough & more.

To have a thoughtful mind to build a 2-3 years ahead of a gaming PC is my main quest !
I need you to look into my build & getting a feedback in '' Cons & Pros '' evaluation
As i have in mind this following setup to build & mod :

1. Case : SilverStone Fortess Mini/non mini FT03 case. ( Going SFF because i just love to have a SSF with massive power, hate the big stacky things ).

2. Mobo : Asus P8Z77 I Deluxe because it have an amazing design plus the VRAM Card on it that looks banging. ( couldnt find one like it to Gigabyte brand in the same power & size ).

3. Intel i7 Ivy Bridge i7-3770T Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.70 GHz) or just stay on Sandy Bridge i7 2600k !?

4. 1 - 1.5 TB Western Digital mechanical HD.

5. 120-240 GB SSD Corsair.

6. Maybe get a liquid cooling for the CPU ? maybe H/I 60/70 Corsair ? might mod it & place it for the GPU.

7. lol, here's the Pain In The Ass, What Graphics Card to place here ? to make me feel the delicious experience of playing like a lunatic with no throttling, no FPS drops nor anything to freaking bothers any damn gamer out there!

A Titan, 690 , or just change the mobo & get Sli 2 GPUs with 6xx series ?

I wish that Idiotic Intel can build an Inner GPU can be built by Nvidia to have hybrid SLI with an external graphics card, imagine the power of our rigs ! ( 1 APU with GTX 680 build in + 4 way- SLI GTX 680 ) !!!!
Lol, Penta way !?

8. 600 - 700 - 800 PSU, maybe Corsair, Antec ?

Maybe hit my case with some SP/AF Corsair fans ?

I have a mod for my rig that no one have thought of it, i think its hard to make, but i love to challenge it to go EXTREME! thumb.gif

9. I have this keyboard i love to have ( Must be small yet functional + Illuminated ) :
a. Logitech K810
b. Logitech k800
c. lol, dunno any ideas ?

10. Razer Naga mouse that is wired & wireless at the same time ?

11. For Moniters, lol im still a noob on Desktops, i always had my life into Laptops, like i had Alienware M15x, Qosmio x505 & now Qosmio x770. Maybe i should buy a TV FHD screen ?

Well, there you have it.!

I'll keep you all informed after i see what you think, Thanks everyone yessir.gif
post #6 of 33
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Originally Posted by Phobia View Post

4. What single card should i get ? or should i just buy 2 ? if 2 what kind or type ?

I had a friend that have a PC store telling me that AMD's CPU tech is amazing, that lets you have a inner GPU ( APU within the CPU ) that can CrossFire with external GPU card ? is that correct ? please be in details with the difference with Nvidia's GPU's !

-- Edit : is Titan's card considerable or wait till the 7xx/8xx series ? for huge performance upgrade & output experience ?
The Titan will probably be more powerful than the 700 and 8000 series GPUs.

APUs are alright if you are only going to play games with League of Ledgends level graphics. If you want to play everything at 1080p 60Hz, go for a 7870. If you want to play everything at 1080p 120Hz or 1440p, then you will need at least GTX 670 or a 7950. If you want to go for multiple monitors, multiple 7950s would be recommended.

You can only crossfire the APU with low end GPUs.
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5. What kind/power should i put in my mind to put into my rig, a PSU ? how much watts / type & size ?
That depends mostly on the graphics card you choose. A GTX 600 series with a socket 1155 CPU probably needs 500 watts. A 7900 series with the same CPU probably needs 550 watts.
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6. About the keyboards, lol should i go extreme with wireless ones, or wired ? difference ?
wireless has extra latency, so if you're gaming, wired is better.

You should also look at mechanical keyboards. They are a lot more comfortable than the rubber dome keyboards.
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3. Intel i7 Ivy Bridge i7-3770T Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.70 GHz) or just stay on Sandy Bridge i7 2600k !?
stay with the 2600k. 3rd gen Intel isn't much more powerful.
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6. Maybe get a liquid cooling for the CPU ? maybe H/I 60/70 Corsair ? might mod it & place it for the GPU.
You only need aftermarket cooling if you are overclocking. Also, single fan thin radiator liquid coolers are pretty terrible. A tower heat sink could provide just as much or more cooling for a lower price.

if you want it on the GPU:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1237219/tript-cc-620-920-h50-h70-gpu-brackets-fan-grills-custom-case-badges
Edited by Art Vanelay - 3/29/13 at 8:57am
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I appreciate the help from you all, Plus looking into this thread.
I think mid/big heat sink for the CPU with 1/2 fans is enough for adequate cooling, i think the CPU wont heat up as much as the GPU.
Thinking of overclocking the GPUs will rise the temp more than the CPU.

-- Can someone help me verify the fact that AMD products ( CPU + GPUs ) doesnt give more efficiency as much as INTEL + Nvidia according to the OS ( windows 7/8 )?
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Originally Posted by Phobia View Post

I appreciate the help from you all, Plus looking into this thread.
I think mid/big heat sink for the CPU with 1/2 fans is enough for adequate cooling, i think the CPU wont heat up as much as the GPU.
Thinking of overclocking the GPUs will rise the temp more than the CPU.

-- Can someone help me verify the fact that AMD products ( CPU + GPUs ) doesnt give more efficiency as much as INTEL + Nvidia according to the OS ( windows 7/8 )?
AMD FX series GPUs give off a ton more heat than Intel CPUs for socket 1155.

Nvidia 600 series GPUs use less power than AMD's 7000 series as well.

Edit: I misinterpreted efficiency as power to performance

Neither is better according to the OS, just look at benchmarks.

GPUs can actually be cooled surprisingly well with a single fan thin radiator. I had one on my GTX 480, which uses more power than any single GPU that I know of, and it kept it under 80 degrees with only one Noctua NF-F12 on it.

CPUs need more cooling potential if you want to overclock heavily. If you want to get to 4.5GHz with a core i5 and don't really care about silence, you probably will only need a hyper 212+.
Edited by Art Vanelay - 3/30/13 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

AMD FX series GPUs give off a ton more heat than Intel CPUs for socket 1155.

Nvidia 600 series GPUs use less power than AMD's 7000 series as well.

Edit: I misinterpreted efficiency as power to performance

Neither is better according to the OS, just look at benchmarks.

GPUs can actually be cooled surprisingly well with a single fan thin radiator. I had one on my GTX 480, which uses more power than any single GPU that I know of, and it kept it under 80 degrees with only one Noctua NF-F12 on it.

CPUs need more cooling potential if you want to overclock heavily. If you want to get to 4.5GHz with a core i5 and don't really care about silence, you probably will only need a hyper 212+.

So, you're telling me that i should go with Intel/Nvidia setup & maybe go crazy with i7 2600k with Titan ?
Best Advise ?thumb.gif
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So, you're telling me that i should go with Intel/Nvidia setup & maybe go crazy with i7 2600k with Titan ?
Best Advise ?thumb.gif
Well, for gaming, you don't need a 2600k. i7s are really for compute applications.

I'd recommend 670 SLI over a titan. It's cheaper and performs better where SLI is implemented properly, which is most games these days. I don't find that microstutter is really something to be concerned with in SLI.
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