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With all of the AMD Gaming Evolved titles being pumped out, today I picked up a Sapphire 7970 Vapor-X as a potential replacement for my Gainward Phantom 680 GTX.

I spent a few hours with the new card, run some benchies and played a nice selection of games.

And well..... underwhelmed is how I would describe my findings.

From Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, Bioshock Infinite and Far Cry 3 ....although the initial impressions were that frame rates were perhaps higher in some cases, the games just didn't feel as "smooth".

It is very hard to put this into words without being confusing.

Basically, when panning and in motion, games on the 680 have less judder. The fluency between kb+mouse and screen felt more organic.

I ran some benchies. 3D Mark 11 scored 300 pts lower on the 7970 (using latest drivers for both cards inc AMD 13.3 beta) and Unigine showed similar results.

I really wanted this card to be a replacement, I figured it would be the better performer considering the AMD Gaming Evolved drive that is taking off and the general concensus on these forums that it is the better of the two, but I just did not find that at all.

I am (to be frank) quite sick of nVidia and their practices, but I just cannot see any real alternative here for now.

Thoughts? Anyone else had similar findings?

I know the Phantom is clocked higher, I don't know if that had any impact. Wouldn't have thought so. I also use a 120hz monitor, so maybe the 680 just plays nicer with those?
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AMD is fixing this issues, they now finally properly handle their drivers and GCN architecture is different compared to previous architectures that AMD used. The issues will be fixed.
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I don't doubt that, but I'm talking about a comparison between the best both has to offer in that ball park. It also goes to show the greater opinion of "buy the 7970" just isn't good advice but is the common word on here. Like blind leading the blind.

I hope AMD come out with new cards soon, excited for the next round. This one has been pretty drab from green & red.
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I don't doubt that, but I'm talking about a comparison between the best both has to offer in that ball park. It also goes to show the greater opinion of "buy the 7970" just isn't good advice but is the common word on here. Like blind leading the blind.

I hope AMD come out with new cards soon, excited for the next round. This one has been pretty drab from green & red.

The performance is there, only the execution to show you on screen is a problem...

Every new architecture does not perform well as expected on the start but it will be fixed eventually and it could be that game developers with their engine's could make it difficult for the GPU architecture and AMD them self said that game developers need to know GPU's better rather than rush to Physx or Open CL.
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could you show us the links to these 3D Mark scores if you don't mind?
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Originally Posted by Arthur Hucksake View Post

I don't doubt that, but I'm talking about a comparison between the best both has to offer in that ball park. It also goes to show the greater opinion of "buy the 7970" just isn't good advice but is the common word on here. Like blind leading the blind.

I hope AMD come out with new cards soon, excited for the next round. This one has been pretty drab from green & red.

I had the exact same experience when I replaced the 670 with a 7970. I wanted more power than the 670 and I figured I'd try the 7970. In benches, the 7970 @ 1285 max oc would beat the 670 @ 1315mhz by a few frames. Of course, in the games that favored AMD the gap was wider.

I'm sensitive to stutter and it drives me nuts. I can pick up on it with Nvidia, imagine what happened when I switched.

To be fair to AMD, the 7000 series truly is better than the Nvidia 600 series. But hardware isn't everything.

Drivers are more important than hardware. AMD has made great strides in that department but they still aren't Nvidia. Nvidia has a larger driver team so until AMD has a larger market share, they aren't going to be as fast curing issues.

What a lot of people on OCN don't seem to get is that it's more than FPS that makes the experience. You really have to take a grain of salt with OCN's opinions. For instance, I've heard several posters claim the AMD latency problem has been fixed. AMD is listing fixed games in their driver notes. So far it's Skyrim, Guild Wars, Borderlands, Tomb Raider and Hitman. And they seem to think for some reason that AMD's cards are priced lower because AMD loves giving us deals. Reality is AMD can't sell their stuff at Nvidia prices. But if they could, you'd be a fool to think that they wouldn't. AMD and Nvidia are shareholder owned companies that think 24/7 about ways to leech money from us.
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Microstutering? that's addressed by AMD and they are working on it in near future drivers man.
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I had the exact same experience when I replaced the 670 with a 7970. I wanted more power than the 670 and I figured I'd try the 7970. In benches, the 7970 @ 1285 max oc would beat the 670 @ 1315mhz by a few frames. Of course, in the games that favored AMD the gap was wider.

I'm sensitive to stutter and it drives me nuts. I can pick up on it with Nvidia, imagine what happened when I switched.

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mcg, everything is open here in ocn. my 6870 seems to be giving up soon and i am looking for a new gpu. best place for someone like me is to visit to check are threads like this . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1374919/guru3d-nvidia-geforce-314-22-driver/40

i play mainly bf3 and when i read that these drivers are causing stuttering in this game, then that really turns me off. as for latency you mentioned, i really - honestly never experienced any such issues with bf3, c2, and c3. ps2 is a different story but i am not sure what kind of problems this latency issues can cause in the first place. i think i would rather keep it that way.

edit: op, btw, what driver were you using for the 680?
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mcg, everything is open here in ocn. my 6870 seems to be giving up soon and i am looking for a new gpu. best place for someone like me is to visit to check are threads like this . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1374919/guru3d-nvidia-geforce-314-22-driver/40

i play mainly bf3 and when i read that these drivers are causing stuttering in this game, then that really turns me off. as for latency you mentioned, i really - honestly never experienced any such issues with bf3, c2, and c3. ps2 is a different story but i am not sure what kind of problems this latency issues can cause in the first place. i think i would rather keep it that way.

edit: op, btw, what driver were you using for the 680?

Yes, there are people who report stuttering in BF3 with this driver. And most of them rolled back to a previous driver that didn't have stutter.

The 314.22 driver basically adds support for Bioshock. Unless you're playing Bioshock, there is no reason to upgrade.

Nvidia isn't perfect with drivers. Sometimes you change something and it adversely effects something else. If this happens, you file a report with them about it. If enough people have the issue, it will be addressed.
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Yes, there are people who report stuttering in BF3 with this driver. And most of them rolled back to a previous driver that didn't have stutter.

The 314.22 driver basically adds support for Bioshock. Unless you're playing Bioshock, there is no reason to upgrade.

Nvidia isn't perfect with drivers. Sometimes you change something and it adversely effects something else. If this happens, you file a report with them about it. If enough people have the issue, it will be addressed.

you see that's the problem. if i like to play bf3 what driver should i use? now if i like to play c3, then what driver should it be? i only use one driver for all my games.

edit: op, sorry for all these questions but you never experienced any issues playing fc3 using the 680?
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