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A "pledge" is as good as... nothing.

What more would you have them do?
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What more would you have them do?

Make a Law within there company Just like EA with Customer Satisfaction.

Im kidding
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If they were to go back on their word, it would generate backlash and it would be a PR nightmare.

It would generate a backlash from developers, but nobody else.

This is more or less what Microsoft did years ago.
    
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It would generate a backlash from developers, but nobody else.

This is more or less what Microsoft did years ago.

First, if noone is developing for your platform because you made them all mad at you, you will go away.

Second, I agree with the previous statement that it would dramatically affect PR with the consumers. Right now we have a pretty open choice on maps programs we could use (since this is all they are opening it up for right now). We could all choose to not use google maps anymore, which would dramatically affect their ad revenue. The backlash could go even farther and impact other areas, like android, or using their search engine if people get mad enough at them.

Just saying don't underestimate the consumers smile.gif
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Did I just hear "We're better than 'iSueyou'."...?
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First, if noone is developing for your platform because you made them all mad at you, you will go away.

You will be hard pressed to stop all developers from developing for your platform if their livelihood now depends on it. Did web developers stop developing for IE because it made them mad? No, they just sucked it up and kept banging their heads hoping for a brighter future (and it's sort of here!).
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Second, I agree with the previous statement that it would dramatically affect PR with the consumers. Right now we have a pretty open choice on maps programs we could use (since this is all they are opening it up for right now). We could all choose to not use google maps anymore, which would dramatically affect their ad revenue. The backlash could go even farther and impact other areas, like android, or using their search engine if people get mad enough at them.

Just saying don't underestimate the consumers smile.gif

This is all under the assumption that:

1) Consumers will even know about Google suing some guy who wrote an application that they don't necessarily even use.
2) Consumers will actually care. Consumers want to consume, not be idealists. Unless there is a direct impact on them (which there could be) they won't get involved.
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You will be hard pressed to stop all developers from developing for your platform if their livelihood now depends on it. Did web developers stop developing for IE because it made them mad? No, they just sucked it up and kept banging their heads hoping for a brighter future (and it's sort of here!).
This is all under the assumption that:

1) Consumers will even know about Google suing some guy who wrote an application that they don't necessarily even use.
2) Consumers will actually care. Consumers want to consume, not be idealists. Unless there is a direct impact on them (which there could be) they won't get involved.

Thus
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Originally Posted by whtchocla7e View Post

A "pledge" is as good as... nothing.

That sums it all up. Google's motto (and that of corporate greed) is maximise profit, thus if they think they can monopolise the internet even more through suing they will.
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Thus
That sums it all up. Google's motto (and that of corporate greed) is maximise profit, thus if they think they can monopolise the internet even more through suing they will.

This type of wholesale anti-corporate thinking borders on social irresponsibility. No organizational structure in the history of the world has increased the average standard of living more than the corporate form. See the graph below:

china-gdp-per-capita-20-centuries.gif

Without the ability of corporations to leverage massive economies of scale, you'd be priced out of many of the things you've come to call necessities, and likely feel entitled to as a basic human right. Before you jump head-first into the hip anti-corporate rhetoric, you should step back and ask yourself where you would be if not for the profit-seeking corporate form. Just look at the graph above and move back in time to when government controlled markets were the rule and not the exception.

To all those who say this doesn't matter because no one knows about it, you're not thinking this thing through. Google is under heavy scrutiny at every turn, and as this anti-corporate/pro-government sentiment grows, the scrutiny will only become more acute. Making an internal policy like this and announcing it to the world creates expectations, and markets do not respond well to corporations which fail to meet their own set expectations.

Would you rather Google remain silent on the issue? This type of transparency in internal policy reduces market uncertainty in a very large and important market by providing developers with a clearer understanding of the possible risks of infringing on Google patents going forward.

How is that a bad thing? The answer is it isn't bad. It's an example of a corporation being a good steward of the market. If you anti-corporate drones would open your eyes and think for yourselves for a minute, you'd realize that.
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This type of wholesale anti-corporate thinking borders on social irresponsibility. No organizational structure in the history of the world has increased the average standard of living more than the corporate form. See the graph below:

china-gdp-per-capita-20-centuries.gif

Without the ability of corporations to leverage massive economies of scale, you'd be priced out of many of the things you've come to call necessities, and likely feel entitled to as a basic human right. Before you jump head-first into the hip anti-corporate rhetoric, you should step back and ask yourself where you would be if not for the profit-seeking corporate form. Just look at the graph above and move back in time to when government controlled markets were the rule and not the exception.

To all those who say this doesn't matter because no one knows about it, you're not thinking this thing through. Google is under heavy scrutiny at every turn, and as this anti-corporate/pro-government sentiment grows, the scrutiny will only become more acute. Making an internal policy like this and announcing it to the world creates expectations, and markets do not respond well to corporations which fail to meet their own set expectations.

Would you rather Google remain silent on the issue? This type of transparency in internal policy reduces market uncertainty in a very large and important market by providing developers with a clearer understanding of the possible risks of infringing on Google patents going forward.

How is that a bad thing? The answer is it isn't bad. It's an example of a corporation being a good steward of the market. If you anti-corporate drones would open your eyes and think for yourselves for a minute, you'd realize that.

Excellent post!!!!!
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This type of wholesale anti-corporate thinking borders on social irresponsibility. No organizational structure in the history of the world has increased the average standard of living more than the corporate form. See the graph below:

china-gdp-per-capita-20-centuries.gif

Without the ability of corporations to leverage massive economies of scale, you'd be priced out of many of the things you've come to call necessities, and likely feel entitled to as a basic human right. Before you jump head-first into the hip anti-corporate rhetoric, you should step back and ask yourself where you would be if not for the profit-seeking corporate form. Just look at the graph above and move back in time to when government controlled markets were the rule and not the exception.

To all those who say this doesn't matter because no one knows about it, you're not thinking this thing through. Google is under heavy scrutiny at every turn, and as this anti-corporate/pro-government sentiment grows, the scrutiny will only become more acute. Making an internal policy like this and announcing it to the world creates expectations, and markets do not respond well to corporations which fail to meet their own set expectations.

Would you rather Google remain silent on the issue? This type of transparency in internal policy reduces market uncertainty in a very large and important market by providing developers with a clearer understanding of the possible risks of infringing on Google patents going forward.

How is that a bad thing? The answer is it isn't bad. It's an example of a corporation being a good steward of the market. If you anti-corporate drones would open your eyes and think for yourselves for a minute, you'd realize that.

Your post is excellent in the whole we need to stop the socialist nonsense that companies that aren't L3C or social corporations (yes they exist or could exist if people actually cared to make them and had brains) should go against the very nature of their structure which is maximize profits. People expect each other to act altruistically? Then why do we need laws at all?

ON TOPIC: However, no one should just trust anyone at their word alone. Trust but verify is the best motto. So, we'll see whether Google holds up it's end. I'm already frustrated with them on another topic in their attempt to consolidate marketing information from their social sites and the side effect of removing or making certain ways to having anonymity more difficult. Ultimately, I'm hopeful they'll stick to this word but I fear if they see something they could fork out of the OSS community they'll lock it down/buy it up/and or sue for it. The consumer needs to do their part and that is more than just finding the best currency based price of something.
     
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