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This type of wholesale anti-corporate thinking borders on social irresponsibility. No organizational structure in the history of the world has increased the average standard of living more than the corporate form. See the graph below:

china-gdp-per-capita-20-centuries.gif

Without the ability of corporations to leverage massive economies of scale, you'd be priced out of many of the things you've come to call necessities, and likely feel entitled to as a basic human right. Before you jump head-first into the hip anti-corporate rhetoric, you should step back and ask yourself where you would be if not for the profit-seeking corporate form. Just look at the graph above and move back in time to when government controlled markets were the rule and not the exception.

To all those who say this doesn't matter because no one knows about it, you're not thinking this thing through. Google is under heavy scrutiny at every turn, and as this anti-corporate/pro-government sentiment grows, the scrutiny will only become more acute. Making an internal policy like this and announcing it to the world creates expectations, and markets do not respond well to corporations which fail to meet their own set expectations.

Would you rather Google remain silent on the issue? This type of transparency in internal policy reduces market uncertainty in a very large and important market by providing developers with a clearer understanding of the possible risks of infringing on Google patents going forward.

How is that a bad thing? The answer is it isn't bad. It's an example of a corporation being a good steward of the market. If you anti-corporate drones would open your eyes and think for yourselves for a minute, you'd realize that.

I should ask myself where the world would be if it weren't for massive, monopolistic, greedy, profit addicted corporations? How about this: we wouldn't have the things we have today. The wheel and fire would have been patented, iron smelting, masonry and all other construction would have been patented and monopolised. Some of the greatest achievements of man have been made despite corporate structures, monopolies, not because of them. Look at how BluRay and many other technologies are being held back. If Intel and AMD could get along we'd be so much better off than we are now, it would benefit everyone bar the corporations.

There is no way I would want to live in the world you are propagating.
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I should ask myself where the world would be if it weren't for massive, monopolistic, greedy, profit addicted corporations? How about this: we wouldn't have the things we have today. The wheel and fire would have been patented, iron smelting, masonry and all other construction would have been patented and monopolised. Some of the greatest achievements of man have been made despite corporate structures, monopolies, not because of them. Look at how BluRay and many other technologies are being held back. If Intel and AMD could get along we'd be so much better off than we are now, it would benefit everyone bar the corporations.

There is no way I would want to live in the world you are propagating.

Are you aware that patents expire? Are you aware that there are strict antitrust laws in most countries? Are you aware that corporations don't make intellectual property law?

If not, you have a long way to go before you can speak on this topic without embarassing yourself.
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I should ask myself where the world would be if it weren't for massive, monopolistic, greedy, profit addicted corporations? How about this: we wouldn't have the things we have today. The wheel and fire would have been patented, iron smelting, masonry and all other construction would have been patented and monopolised. Some of the greatest achievements of man have been made despite corporate structures, monopolies, not because of them. Look at how BluRay and many other technologies are being held back. If Intel and AMD could get along we'd be so much better off than we are now, it would benefit everyone bar the corporations.

There is no way I would want to live in the world you are propagating.

Are you aware that patents expire? Are you aware that there are strict antitrust laws in most countries? Are you aware that corporations don't make intellectual property law?

If not, you have a long way to go before you can speak on this topic without embarassing yourself.
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Are you aware that patents expire?
Yeah, because no patent in the history of patents has ever been renewed. rolleyes.gif
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Are you aware that there are strict antitrust laws in most countries?
Anti-trust laws can best be summed up by "There has to be at least two." If two or more companies are screwing you equally, anti-trust hardly matters now does it?
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Are you aware that corporations don't make intellectual property law?
You're right, they just make massive campaign donations and hand lobbyists money to pass those laws for them.

Any entity that exists solely to make a profit (greed) is not your friend, and likely will not benefit you unless there is forced protection in place. Big business exists because we allow it to exist, not the other way around.
 
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Yeah, because no patent in the history of patents has ever been renewed. rolleyes.gif
Anti-trust laws can best be summed up by "There has to be at least two." If two or more companies are screwing you equally, anti-trust hardly matters now does it?

You're right, they just make massive campaign donations and hand lobbyists money to pass those laws for them.

Any entity that exists solely to make a profit (greed) is not your friend, and likely will not benefit you unless there is forced protection in place. Big business exists because we allow it to exist, not the other way around.

And if the consumer cared so much they would make that apparent in the markets by guess what...not buying. Let us malign people for producing anything and asking for more than it cost them. rolleyes.gif
     
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Either good PR, or a hidden threat tongue.gif

but good for them smile.gif

It's both, this is Google we're taking about

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Your post is excellent in the whole we need to stop the socialist nonsense that companies that aren't L3C or social corporations (yes they exist or could exist if people actually cared to make them and had brains) should go against the very nature of their structure which is maximize profits. People expect each other to act altruistically? Then why do we need laws at all?

ON TOPIC: However, no one should just trust anyone at their word alone. Trust but verify is the best motto. So, we'll see whether Google holds up it's end. I'm already frustrated with them on another topic in their attempt to consolidate marketing information from their social sites and the side effect of removing or making certain ways to having anonymity more difficult. Ultimately, I'm hopeful they'll stick to this word but I fear if they see something they could fork out of the OSS community they'll lock it down/buy it up/and or sue for it. The consumer needs to do their part and that is more than just finding the best currency based price of something.

No we need a lot more of the Socialist nonsense, there's ben too much of the Capitalist nonsense for the last 40 or so years.
 
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I really like this policy, if more companies would do something like this, it would be for the benefit of us all. I can't remember how many times I've seen some awesome product or innovation that gets killed off by big companies suing the crap out of the company for using "a method of sorting data, fast" or something along those lines.

 

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Are you aware that patents expire? Are you aware that there are strict antitrust laws in most countries? Are you aware that corporations don't make intellectual property law?

If not, you have a long way to go before you can speak on this topic without embarassing yourself.

 

This is really kind of off topic. That said, the patent system is broken. It was meant to allow you and I to pay royalities to companies that hold the patents. The problem lies in the fact that they don't have to let you use those patents. More often than not, the company just holds on to them, charging whatever they want for the specific product using the patent and sues anyone else that attempts using a feature while at the same time refusing the license it out.

 

Who cares? I do. I'm diabetic, the company that makes my insulin holds a patent on it. There are no generics. They produce it for pennys and sell it to me for $400, making billions off me and others like me. That's the problem.

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And if the consumer cared so much they would make that apparent in the markets by guess what...not buying. Let us malign people for producing anything and asking for more than it cost them. rolleyes.gif

See my antitrust comment. "Not buying" isn't always an option. There's fair market value, then their is being ripped off jointly because of greed.

Capitalism doesn't equal prosperity. That was the point Littledonny was trying to make; he's wrong.
 
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This thread will be locked and cleaned soon. Save the novels guys, lol.
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Capitalism doesn't equal prosperity.

Capitalism equals prosperity for some, often at the expense of others. It is built on imbalance. The more wealth one has, the easier it is for one to gather more wealth. The inverse is also true.
    
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