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Applied the thermal paste again on the die but this time i used a bit more. Temp are back to normal. I hope it stays this way. 75C Folding @ +.165v.
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Applied the thermal paste again on the die but this time i used a bit more. Temp are back to normal. I hope it stays this way. 75C Folding @ +.165v.

your results this time around will determine if I delid sooner or later. wink.gif
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Hey the only thermal paste I have atm is Artic Silver 5 - is that OK to use on the CPU die?
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Hey the only thermal paste I have atm is Artic Silver 5 - is that OK to use on the CPU die?

Should be fine but you would get better temps with CLP/U. I had problems first time with regular thermal paste. After about 3 days my temps shoot up 25C worse then before delid. Keep checking temps for about 1 week and you should be good.
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How do you know?!

This is what I said about the chip that I killed before. It looked like it was soldered, but at the wrong spot... right next to the PCB.
thread a month or so back showing that the new batches of ivy chips were below 75c at high overclocks. defiently solder chip. if it was purchased december or later, its a very good chance its soldered.

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They wouldn't have switched Ivy to solder this late in the game. What the guy probably saw was dry thermal paste and thought it was solder.

How Intel works:

When something isn't broken, leave it alone.

why do you talk? every post ive seen by you is biased or uninformed or just completely totally wrong

good, i can try doing this because i got mine in october thumbsupsmiley.png

 

Man... i am so jumpy about actually doing this, maybe its because its messing with a tiny $300 chip hahaha

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Even if you bought one today, it was probably made months ago. With the serial number I can tell you what retailer it was shipped to and when though smile.gif

I really want to know if Microcenter actually buys direct from Intel.
Edited by dr/owned - 4/12/13 at 1:21pm
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I am pretty sure if you are not sure if its solder or paste make sure to delid the CPU when hot as the solder is weaker when hot.
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I am pretty sure if you are not sure if its solder or paste make sure to delid the CPU when hot as the solder is weaker when hot.

No. Solder melts at temperatures far and away above the thermal throttle limit. Minimum 260C.
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No. Solder melts at temperatures far and away above the thermal throttle limit. Minimum 260C.

I did delid my P4 which had solder and did not damage the die at all. Its still pretty soft. Its not the same solder used in MB.
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Since folks are having some stability issues, I'll just offer my 2¢ from my stability work last night. The system was basically stable, but I noticed a couple of app crashes which made me want to really nail it.

First, I had a problem where Prime95 wouldn't say I was stable no matter what. I was running custom 20K FFTs, default memory, and it would have rounding errors right away. Keeping Vcore high I dropped 100MHz, no improvement. Dropped another 100, same problem. Switch to "small FFT" or "blend" and it works fine for 45min+. So I suspect this is a bug with Prime95. I'm not sure if that's the case, but I was definitely barking up the wrong tree.

Next I used Aida64. Since I was convinced my FPU was OK from Prime95, I focused on the other tests it provides, "CPU," "Cache," and "RAM." Running any of them alone didn't give any problems after 10-15min, but running "cache" and "RAM" together would cause a hardware failure to be detected.

After trying a bunch of different voltages, I found some setting that work with my system, and my be illustrative. First, I manually set the system and memory controller voltages to their default values. Having them anything else made my system less stable. The big discovery was to set Vpll as high as reasonable, which for me was 1.875. (Default is 1.8, and Intel recommended max is 1.89V).

This is in some contradiction with many guides, which suggest lowering PLL voltage to reduce heat. The higher PLL voltage may increase heat, but it crushed my memory/cache bug.

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On a philosophical note, I'm not big on stability, especially as this site conceives it. My belief is that there are enough bugs in the software that worrying too much about processor stability is misguided. The exception is for very intese technical computing, like folding. Then being Prime Stable for 12+ hours matters. But all my technical computing runs quickly enough that I can do it twice and make sure the answers are the same thumb.gif

The other (and bigger) problem with the "Prime Stability" idea is that, as my experience shows, it's not a complete test of the system. It heats the processor, which is important, and tests the FPU. But all the integer math, the crypto, random number generator, cache, graphics, memory and system controllers, none of these are explicitly tested by Prime95, Linpack, or other FPU tests. If I hadn't had Aida there to check other parts of the system, it would have never occurred to me that the PLL was the issue.

Aside from Aida, my favorite ways of stability testing are playing games and opening a bunch of tabs in Chrome. Of course, Prime is a wonderful tool. But the standard way of thinking, that "errors in Prime mean you need to boost Vcore and/or reduce clocks" was wrong.

And like I said, my main criterion for stability is... whether or not my system throws errors. biggrin.gif But it's a personal thing, and I just want to encourage folks to think flexibly about it.

EDIT: Of course, after posting this diatribe I have a game crash on me. Went back and loosened the RAM timings, plus some small voltage bumps to Vcore and Vpll. Now I'm passing those 20K FFTs, go figure redface.gif
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