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I just guess that I don't have very demanding games, but I really want to get Bioshock infinite and I am worried that it will be unplayable with my 560

Does anybody know if the gtx 560 will be able to run Infinite
Edited by Scout Lukas - 4/1/13 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by Terreos View Post

Always buy the single most powerful card you can afford. You can always buy another down the road if it's not up to your standards.

The big reason for this is sli/crossfire have more problems than a single card setup. You may even play a game that doesn't support. And yes there are still games that are poorly optimized for two or more cards. Get a 670. Now. thumb.gif

You know, I'm not sure who started that advice of "buying the single most powerful card, buy a 2nd for SLI later," but I'm pretty sure that advice is not a one-size-fits-all and really, this advice is NOT sound. Yes, for years, we've all heard other people say it, and heard it repeated by others, and it's being repeated again by you. Just because advice is repeated by a lot of people does not make it right.

Anyways, I don't agree with this advice. A GTX 670 will not get very cheap later on down the road. Look at the prices of GTX 570s or 470s. They don't get very cheap later on down the road and really it's difficult to even find a good deal on them (just sitting on the shelf of some lazy distributor that hasn't updated prices to match market prices so it's still at their original retail price), whereas GTX 460s, 560s, have gotten down to low-$100 price points. Really, the mainstream type cards like the GTX 460, or 560 Ti (and probably the GTX 650 Ti Boost) are the ones that get cheapest.

Let's say someone followed that advice 3 years ago and bought a GTX 480. Ok, the GTX 480 is starting to slow down. Let's get another one. hmm.. How much are they? About $220 used on ebay or $320 new. Not only is this upgrade going to be expensive, you're rig is going to be a gas-guzzler.

The "SLI doesn't perform well" is outdated advice. I posted a link to SLI benchmarks of BF3, Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, etc (somewhat new games) for the GTX 650-Ti-Boost and they all are 82%-103% in terms of SLI performance, and it's only a month in. When SLI was somewhat a newer technology, it did have issues, and drivers would have issues, but it seems things are different now. The only truth to this that I would agree with is that SLI will not perform as well on the just-released games. It could take a month or more for SLI drivers to update on newly released games if the game doesn't SLI well. However, on the new games that have demanding graphics, the drivers do seem to get updated pretty quickly.
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I just guess that I don't have very demanding games, but I really want to get Bioshock infinite and I am worried that it will be unplayable with my 560

Does anybody know if the gtx 560 will be able to run Infinite

http://www.game-debate.com/news/?news=4377&title=Bioshock%20Infinite%20Benchmarks%20Nvidia%20GeForce%20GTX%20560%20Ti

According to this site, the GTX 560 Ti gets 40fps (avg) on Ultra, so probably around 32fps on your 560? Playable, but it'll probably experience some stutter, so you'll probably have to play on High-Very High settings.
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You know, I'm not sure who started that advice of "buying the single most powerful card, buy a 2nd for SLI later," but I'm pretty sure that advice is not a one-size-fits-all and really, this advice is NOT sound. Yes, for years, we've all heard other people say it, and heard it repeated by others, and it's being repeated again by you. Just that advice is repeated by a lot of people does not make it right.

Anyways, I don't agree with this advice. A GTX 670 will not get very cheap later on down the road. Look at the prices of GTX 570s or 470s. They don't get very cheap later on down the road and really it's difficult to even find a good deal on them, whereas GTX 460s, 560s, have gotten down to low-$100 price points. Really, the mainstream type cards like the GTX 460, or 560 Ti (and probably the GTX 650 Ti Boost) are the ones that get cheapest.

Let's say someone followed that advice 3 years ago and bought a GTX 480. Ok, the GTX 480 is starting to slow down. Let's get another one. hmm.. How much are they? About $220 used on ebay or $320 new. Not only is this upgrade going to be expensive, you're rig is going to be a gas-guzzler.

The "SLI doesn't perform well" is outdated advice. I posted a link to SLI benchmarks of BF3, Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, etc (somewhat new games) for the GTX 650-Ti-Boost and they all are 82%-103% in terms of SLI performance, and it's only a month in. When SLI was somewhat a newer technology, it did have issues, and drivers would have issues, but it seems things are different now. The only truth to this that I would agree with is that SLI will not perform as well on the just-released games. It could take a month or more for SLI drivers to update on newly released games if the game doesn't SLI well.
http://www.game-debate.com/news/?news=4377&title=Bioshock%20Infinite%20Benchmarks%20Nvidia%20GeForce%20GTX%20560%20Ti

According to this site, the GTX 560 Ti gets 40fps (avg) on Ultra, so probably around 32fps on your 560? Playable, but it'll probably experience some stutter, so you'll probably have to play on High-Very High settings.

You are one hundred percent right with that post... It looks exactly like something i would write myself thumb.gif. I also strongly dis-agree with that saying "Get the best single card you can get, and SLI down the road". What exactly does "down the road" mean? future proofing? lol I don't believe in that also, when I buy GPU's, I believe in getting the best performance your money can buy wink.gif

SLI runs beautifully, and the difference in frame latency from a single Nvidia card to multi cards is minuscule...
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You know, I'm not sure who started that advice of "buying the single most powerful card, buy a 2nd for SLI later," but I'm pretty sure that advice is not a one-size-fits-all and really, this advice is NOT sound. Yes, for years, we've all heard other people say it, and heard it repeated by others, and it's being repeated again by you. Just because advice is repeated by a lot of people does not make it right.

Anyways, I don't agree with this advice. A GTX 670 will not get very cheap later on down the road. Look at the prices of GTX 570s or 470s. They don't get very cheap later on down the road and really it's difficult to even find a good deal on them (just sitting on the shelf of some lazy distributor that hasn't updated prices to match market prices so it's still at their original retail price), whereas GTX 460s, 560s, have gotten down to low-$100 price points. Really, the mainstream type cards like the GTX 460, or 560 Ti (and probably the GTX 650 Ti Boost) are the ones that get cheapest.

Let's say someone followed that advice 3 years ago and bought a GTX 480. Ok, the GTX 480 is starting to slow down. Let's get another one. hmm.. How much are they? About $220 used on ebay or $320 new. Not only is this upgrade going to be expensive, you're rig is going to be a gas-guzzler.

The "SLI doesn't perform well" is outdated advice. I posted a link to SLI benchmarks of BF3, Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, etc (somewhat new games) for the GTX 650-Ti-Boost and they all are 82%-103% in terms of SLI performance, and it's only a month in. When SLI was somewhat a newer technology, it did have issues, and drivers would have issues, but it seems things are different now. The only truth to this that I would agree with is that SLI will not perform as well on the just-released games. It could take a month or more for SLI drivers to update on newly released games if the game doesn't SLI well. However, on the new games that have demanding graphics, the drivers do seem to get updated pretty quickly.
http://www.game-debate.com/news/?news=4377&title=Bioshock%20Infinite%20Benchmarks%20Nvidia%20GeForce%20GTX%20560%20Ti

According to this site, the GTX 560 Ti gets 40fps (avg) on Ultra, so probably around 32fps on your 560? Playable, but it'll probably experience some stutter, so you'll probably have to play on High-Very High settings.

You miss understand me. What I mean by get the best single card you can afford and sli later is simply buy a powerful single card. If it doesn't do as well as you would hope then sli it when you can afford it. I not once said wait 3 years. I understand your point but, please don't put words in my mouth.
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post #25 of 43
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^^ jcrandall623 Yeah I totally agree with you, I will buy bioshock and see if it is playable if not I will wait till i get my upgrade, but most likely will play it anyway even if I had to play on low smile.gif
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this thread got hilarious....

regardless do not waste your time with SLi 650 Ti w/ Boost... just go with the stronger single GPU solution..
who in their right mind starts out with SLi lower level cards.? headscratch.gif
if @ 1080p monitor and not planning on going higher on the nVidia side my first choice is the GTX 670 but the GTX 660 Ti will do if on a budget.
might not be as strong as SLi 650 Ti's w/ Boost but I'm betting on better gameplay..

my opinion.
post #27 of 43
found some GTX 650 Ti w/ Boost SLi charts...
Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost SLI Performance
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Settings: 1920 x 1080 – Ultra – AA x4 – AF x16

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Settings: 1920 x 1080 – High – AA x4 – AF x16

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Settings: 1920 x 1080 – Ultra – AA x4 – AF x16

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Settings: 1920 x 1080 – High – AA x4 – AF x16

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Settings: 1920 x 1080 – Ultra – AA x4 – AF x16




summary:
SLi GTX 650 Ti w/ Boost MAYBE better than the GTX 670 and slightly better than the HD 7950 / GTX 660 Ti.
and I bet if you get the GTX 670 or GTX 660 Ti / HD 7950 Boost then you would be better off...

cheers.
post #28 of 43
Yeah the 650 boost doesnt seem worth it at all. What about the 660 in sli?
post #29 of 43
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Ok but I may be wrong about this

but I would pay around 340 for two 650ti boost's and around 400 for a gtx 670 and around 500 for a gtx 680

The 650ti is somewhere in the middle in performance, so doesnt this make it the best value for the money vs preformace

Also I dont want to start a war in this thread about whether single gpus beat sli just stop about that topic I would like to focus on this case

I WILL MOST LIKELY BE UPGRADING TO NEXT GEN OF CARDS GTX 700 but I was wondering about this topic

rep to those who helped
post #30 of 43
those prices are all too high..... where are you shopping.?
GTX 660 Ti upper models are like $260 - $290 and GTX 670 can go for like $350 on the lower end.
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