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Well, my G700 kinda broke after around two years of use (bottom two buttons on the side as well as the G9 and G10 buttons don’t work). So, I did some researching and found the G600. Best Buy had a sale on it ($59.99), so it was a deal I couldn’t pass up.

G700
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Build Quality

This mouse is a freakin’ tank. I’m actually surprised that it’s lasted as long as it has. This thing has been slammed (when I say slammed, I mean SLAMMED), dropped, and thrown too many times to count and it still worked great. As far as my button problem, I took the mouse apart, and nothing seems wrong, so I’m thinking that the buttons died out (I use those four buttons more frequently than all of the other buttons, bar the left/right click). The mouse still looks great after all it’s been through, with some grime in the cracks, and some little scratch marks on the edge of the left click area.
The buttons on the side soften up after a lot of button presses, especially the G4 button (bottom right). That button is the crouch button in my fps games, and when it worked, the button press wouldn’t be recognized sometimes, and instantly recognize it again. When I was in the crouching position (hold to crouch), it was like the button would drop the connection and put me back in the standing position sometimes. The only way to fix it was to press the button harder. If you pressed the button and wiggled it around it would sometimes glitch up and not recognize the button press, and then recognize it like 2ms (just throwing out a number) later. This started happening after about 1.75 years of use, so it isn’t a problem when the mouse is new. Although this mouse is very durable, some parts of it start to show its wrinkles after some time using it. That’s to be expected, though. The four buttons that aren’t working now used to be fixed by slamming the mouse around. Now it doesn’t…guess I was too rough with it biggrin.gif

Comfort

This is a very ergonomic mouse. I have medium sized hands, and it fits perfectly. The backside of the mouse fits perfectly on the inside of my palm. My hand position is a low arched claw when I’m doing stuff that doesn’t relate to gaming. In gaming I have a tendency to take up the claw position. With that said, these positions feel pretty nice on this mouse. Since the sensor is in the front, a palm position doesn’t feel as accurate as the claw position.
My main gripe with this mouse is my ring finger and pinky finger is hanging out on the side of the mouse. It would be nice if there was a little extension on the side for my fingers. Also, my pinky finger tends to rub on the mouse pad (I keep it tucked in on the side of the mouse and use the contact with the mousepad as control reinforcement if necessary).

The textured areas on the sides of the mouse are pretty nice to rub on, after two years of use, there is very little degradation. When I first bought the mouse and felt the side, I was thinking that the textured areas would rub off after a couple months…fooled me bigtime.
The mouse wheel is pretty nice. I would have said great if I didn’t get the G600, but I love the free wheel scroll on it. It’s going to be a hard thing to give up since I moved to the G600. The weight of the mouse is pretty nice too. Although it doesn’t have little weights on it, the battery is heavy enough to balance out the mouse. I’m actually thankful this mouse doesn’t have any weights because I’d lose them like they’re nothing.

Functionality


With the G700 being my first good mouse into the technology world, I think it’s a very functional mouse. Productivity on it is great since you can configure all of the buttons for macros and other button presses. They are very helpful when you’re navigating through the os (new folder macro, web browser macro, show desktop macro, backspace macro, etc.). After I’ve had that type of experience, I can’t go to any other mouse with a small amount of buttons.

You can use the mouse with the wire, but feels pretty restrictive since the cable is a little on the stiff side. As long as you have some slack on the cable, there shouldn’t be any major restriction problems. Sometimes I feel a bit of a tug when there isn’t enough slack in the cable, but it’s nothing a quick jerk of the cable can’t fix.

I absolutely love the wireless capabilities of this mouse, and I feel that other gaming mice should start endorsing it. With the polling rate set to 1000Hz, this mouse can stay wireless for about a day and a half. After that, I plug in the cable, and after about an hour it’s finished charging. The charging time might be more or less, but I usually don’t pay attention to it. I just plug it in and use it the way it’s supposed to be used. After I see the three lights on the side all lit up (indicating it’s fully charged), I unplug the cable. Keep in mind that I’ve been using the same battery that the G700 came with all this time. If you buy a new G700, the charge should last longer.

Just one thing to keep in mind; when I had my old Intel C2Q Q8300, the cpu usage would jump up to around 30% from idle with the 1000Hz report rate when the mouse is wireless. My 3820 goes up a few percent.

Software


Like I said before, this was my first good mouse, so I didn’t really know how good the software should be. The software options are very nice, and while the gui looks dated, it does what it’s supposed to do. I will say that creating macros is a bit of a pain because you have to open up this macro manager, create a new macro, push in your buttons and whatnot, stop recording, save, edit the title of the macro, and then you can set the macro to a button in setpoint (G700’s software suite). Although it’s tedious, it gets the job done. The software allows you to change the dpi settings, profiles, polling rate, mouse sleep time, and some other stuff that I can’t remember. Compared to the software suite on the G600, it really looks dated, improving on the G700’s software in every single aspect (minus one very small gripe—no maximize key).
Fortunately, you can use the Logitech Gaming software with this mouse (the same software the G600 uses).

Overall

I still love this mouse. If the four buttons didn’t crap out on me, I would probably still be using this mouse for a couple more years. The buttons are very well positioned, and productivity is awesome. The wireless capability of this mouse is a godsend, and the free scroll is something that is absolutely necessary for plowing through large pages (I’ve never been a fan of middle clicking to go through a lot of pages). The build quality is fantastic, and it can take a lot of abuse. The software suite is pretty bland looking, but it gets the job done just fine. Good thing the better Logitech gaming software works for this mouse (along with other components like their keyboards and whatnot).

The main downsides to this mouse is that the buttons on the side are subject to degradation after a year or more of use, and the battery life isn’t that long if you have it on 1000Hz report rate. The tactile click position on the wheel doesn’t feel as smooth as I would like it either. To make an analogy; the G700’s wheel would be cherry mx blues, while the G600’s wheel would be more like browns. So yeah, this mouse is an awesome mouse, and I would choose it over the majority of the gaming mice out there, bar the G600.
G600
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Well, I’ve only had the mouse for a couple days, but I think that’s a long enough time to put some impressions down.

Build quality


Hmmm…this is a pretty hard one to talk about, mainly because the mouse is basically brand new, but I’ll throw in what I can. I’ll make sure to update this when I get some more time on the mouse.
The mouse feels very solid in your hand, but I just can’t help but think that the G700’s build quality is more satisfying. Maybe it’s because of the plethora of buttons on the side, but I really can’t manhandle this mouse like I did with my G700. I have to use this mouse with a bit more finesse. You can’t squeeze it too hard or you’ll end up pushing the buttons on the side. I’m just more confident using my G700 because, first of all, I know that mouse through and through, but also because I have a better grip on the mouse. I will say that the buttons on the G600 feel less gummy and more direct, though, which will probably win me over after I get used to this mouse. The side buttons on the G700 feel a bit awkward to push down, like you have to tilt the buttons in order to effectively push them. The G600 just feels like a wall of buttons.

Comfort

Now this one is a toss-up. Both of these mice are very ergonomic with the G700 having a more extreme slope where the left/right click buttons are at, and the G600 having a more gentle slope towards the front. I will say that the claw position feels better on the G700, while a low arch claw and palm positions feels better on the G600. With the buttons on the side, the G600 doesn’t inspire as much confidence as my G700 because you are subject to pressing the wrong button more often and you sometimes have to have to reassure yourself that the button you’re pressing is the right one. As far as the buttons on the side, they actually don’t feel that bad. The first six buttons on the side are pretty easy to reach and press, but the back six will require some getting used to if you haven’t used an MMO mouse before. I’m having that problem right now, and the G15-G17 buttons are a bit weird to press. The G13 and G16 buttons have a little bump in them, like the F and J keys on your keyboard, so you won’t find yourself losing your thumb as much as you’d think.
Now for the finale, the third click. It’s ingenious. Once you stop thinking that it’s a right click (well, it could be if you set it), it’s one of the most awesome things to come to mice. It allows my ring finger to rest on the mouse better, and my pinky finger isn’t rubbing on the mousepad like it was with my G700.

Functionality


As you guessed it (maybe not?), this mouse is very functional, even more-so than my G700. The buttons on the side are very helpful for productivity, and once you get used to the button positions on the side, it’s an indispensable tool when gaming and navigating through the OS.
The mouse wheel has a more rounded, smooth click sound than the G700’s more tactile click, and it feels very nice when using it. I actually prefer it over the G700, minus the free wheel scroll. The left and right wheel clicks also feel more resolving, for lack of a better term. On the G700, it felt like the left wheel click was softer than the right wheel click. When I took apart the mouse, I found out it’s because each side uses a different click box, with the right side having a slightly softer actuation force. The G600 doesn’t have this problem, as both sides have an equal pressing force. It’s slightly harder to side click on the G600 because the wheel is more rounded, though. The more angled mouse wheel on the G700 makes it easier to put your finger beside it and nudge it over than the more curved, softer wheel on the G600. As long as your fingers aren’t greasy, you shouldn’t have any problems side clicking.

The usb cable is more flexible than the G700’s cable, so it doesn’t pull as much as the G700’s cable.

Software


I love the functionality of the software. It’s a very good progression over the G700’s setpoint software, and it offers even more stuff to play with. The macros are extremely easy to register now. Just click on the button you want to change, click on the multiple keystrokes button, input your keystroke, stop recording, give it a name, and that’s it. There is just so much more you can do with this mouse on the software side than the G700 (if you don’t use the Logitech gaming software, but setpoint instead. If you do, they’re basically the same). I’m not going to go into the specifics of the software since the various reviews of the mouse from various websites should cover that, but it’s very nice nonetheless.

One thing I will say, though, is the color change on this mouse is awesome. You can have this thing every color of the rainbow if you wanted, you can edit the color by a color wheel on the left side, change the lighting effects from pulse to cycle lighting, vice versa, and the speed at which it pulses/cycles. You can also change the time when the lights go to sleep. I usually don’t like flashy stuff, but this thing has got me acting like a little kid. Maybe I should say more like a little kid, but anyways, it’s really neat to look at. When the lights are off, you can barely see the Gx letters on the buttons. So if you’re someone who likes the stealth approach, this mouse has you covered. It looks pretty intimidating without the lights on, like they’re missile pods or something (or whatever you call them).

Overall

It’s a very nice package wink.gif It basically trades blows with the G700. The G600 has its benefits as does the G700. The laser is near the middle of the mouse, with it being closer to the back, so I find myself moving more of the mouse than the G700. I actually think that this mouse feels a bit more accurate than the G700. Maybe it’s because the skates on the G700 are shot, or the position of the laser, but the G600 is an accurate, smooth mouse. Even when the skates were good on my G700, I just feel like the G600 is a more natural, fluid mouse, whereas the G700 feels more edgy and nimble. Keep in mind that I’m using the textured side of the Razer Vespula. Although it’s categorized as an MMO mouse, it works great for fps games, and productivity is excellent on this mouse. I was playing around in the survival mode in MW3, and the buttons on the side actually don’t feel that bad. Once you’re into the game and after you memorize what macros and keystrokes you have set on the side buttons, it feels like second nature, just like the way it felt using my G700.

The buttons on the side will take some getting used to, but they are very effective once you get in the groove. The main downside to this mouse is that it doesn’t inspire as much confidence as my G700, which I could manhandle around more. The side buttons on the G600 somewhat limit you on how much control you have over the mouse because you are subject to accidentally hitting a button or four.

The third click on the rightmost side of the mouse is an awesome feature because it doubles your buttons on the fly (that’s the default setting—>G-Shift), and it improves ergonomics. I just have it set to double click since I have no need for ~40 buttons…yet.
Since the mouse is wired I don’t have to worry about the battery dying on me when I’m in the middle of something, but a wireless mouse still has its merits.

The main thing that I would change about this mouse is I would like to have the side of the mouse more curved like the G700, with the buttons following that curve. That should make it a bit easier to access those rear buttons. I would also like to see a free wheel scroll in this baby. Wireless capabilities would also be a nice feature to have, although it isn’t necessary. So, if any Logitech engineers are reading this, take notes! Maybe you guys could make a G650 or something.

I’ll probably end up using my G700 as a dedicated page scroller and for wireless connectivity whenever the need occurs. Other than that, the G600 is going to be my main mouse now. If all of the buttons worked on the G700, I’d still use the G600 as my main mouse. For me, the G600 does 90% of what the G700 does, and adds some nice features while improving ergonomics.

Well, that’s the end of my impressions. I’ll make sure to update this whenever I get some more time on this mouse. So far, I like it more than my G700. It just boils down to what you want in a mouse, and what you’re going to be doing with it. Categorizing the G600 as only an MMO gaming mouse is a massive understatement.

Update: G700s Impressions and small updates
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The smaller updates are near the bottoms of this section.

Well, I finally got my G700 RMA’d by Logitech, and they were nice enough to ship me a brand new G700s. Some people may complain about their RMA, but I had possibly the best experience yet (out of all of my RMAs). I didn’t even have the receipt for the mouse (I got the G700 as a gift, and I didn’t have any receipts from it since it was ordered online), and they shipped me a new unit. Well, back on topic.

Not much to say here, so I’m going to be comparing the G700 to the newer “s” version. They’re the same, just as many other people have said. If you already have a G700, there’s no point in getting the newer one, unless you are able to control the mouse above 5700dpi, and/or your G700 broke. Build quality is exactly the same, but the design on the palm area has a bit more grip than the smooth black that’s on the G700. The mousewheel click that changes it from the regular knobbed, tactile feel to the free scroll wheel is smoother than the base G700. The G700 scroll change buttons always felt a bit loose and clunky to me, like it wasn’t screwed into place right, but I guess Logitech changed the scroll change clickbox on it to make it smoother. It wasn’t that big a deal to begin with, though. Just throwing it out there for any potential G700s buyers.

The left/right mouse wheel clicks are the same also. For those that don’t know about the left/right clickboxes on the G700/s mice, the right clickbox has a lower actuation force than the left side for some odd reason. I confirmed this when I took apart my old G700. You can also tell because the left/right clickboxes sound different.

When using the G700, I've come across some tracking issues. Whenever the mouse is asleep, and you wiggle the mouse, the first three seconds or so, the mouse moves at a really low dpi. I believe it’s a software issue since I’ve never had that problem with my old G700 when I was using Logitech SetPoint. Also, whenever I try to change the dpi settings it takes a while for the buttons to respond to the mouse clicks. I have the newest firmware on the G700s and the newest version of LGS along with W7 freshly installed, so it isn't on my side.

The only thing that I’m not liking about the G700s, besides the little bugs are the cosmetics. The palm area design on the mouse looks hideous. Every time I see the "G" on the mouse, the first thing that comes to my mind is Gigabyte...I’ve been thinking about changing the shell out with the G700 shell, but it’s not that big a deal since my hand covers it anyways, and I’m not looking forward to messing up the skates to change the shell out (the screws are underneath the mouse skates, and taking the skates off really screw up the sticky stuff, making it really hard to put them back on). I would say it voids the warranty, but you could always swap them back if you need to return it or anything.

An update on the textured sides of the G700s. The G700 still has the texture, after almost 3 years, but the G700s is so textured, I took my hand off the mouse because I thought I had dirt on my thumb. I guess it does wear down after a while, but it isn’t as much as I’d thought.

Since I have new skates on the G700s I can make a valid tracking statement between the G600 and the G700/s. I’m actually finding the two pretty close. One isn’t particularly better than the other, but they’re more suited towards different types of hands. I’m finding the G600 the slower mouse to move around, but it feels very balanced. The G700s is a bit nimbler, and it can be a bit harder to control at times. This may be because there is no place for your ring finger/pinky to rest like on the G600, and the laser orientation (G700/s=top, G600=lower middle).

The buttons on the G700/s are easier to reach than the G600, and you have to use less force to press the buttons too. Whenever I press the buttons on the G600, the mouse moves a bit from the force of my thumb pressing them. The G700/s doesn’t have this problem, mainly due to the fact that the buttons are made to be pressed at an angle instead of in a perpendicular fashion.

As far as durability goes on the G600, it is less durable than the G700/s. I dropped the mouse, and it left a pretty noticeably scratch on the side of the left click. The skates on the G600 are more durable than the ones on the G700/s. They're thicker, take up a larger area, and still track well when it gets scraped up a bit from dirt and other residue. The G700/s is more sensitive than the G600 in that regard. The bottom plastic on the G600 is pretty cheap, though. I can use my nail and scratch a mark on it, whereas the bottom plastic on the G700/s is really durable and thick.

Well, now that I’ve had some time with the G600, I will stand behind what I said about the ability to really manhandle the mouse. I’ve had some times when I’ve pressed the wrong button, or pressed two buttons at once, but overall, I’d say that the buttons on the side are better than the G700/s’ buttons. The G700/s’ buttons are easier to reach, but that wouldn’t be really fair, since we’re comparing 4 buttons on the side to 12 buttons. The only button that I’ve found that are a bit unusual to press is the G10 button. All of the other buttons feel alright, now that I’ve gotten used to the G600.
Smaller Update: Old vs. New G600
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Well, I found out that I actually had the older one...Logitech kindly mailed me the new version for free. You gotta love their support biggrin.gif

There are four differences:

1. The cable is stiffer
2. There is plastic wrap protecting the bottom of the mouse
3. You can update the firmware
4. The box looks different

I used both, and both track exactly the same.

Edited by airisom2 - 11/24/13 at 1:54pm
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I bought a G700 mouse last week.... used it for one day and just determined that it didn't have the "feel" and comfort of my MMO 7... so I switched back.

I just wish I could take Logitech switch quality and merge it with the Cyborg mouse layout and design. Would be perfect for me....
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Im in the market for a new mouse and was thinking of something with a lot of buttons (like the g600) since I play a lot of MMOs. The main thing that has been detracting me from the G600 is that A LOT of people have said the mouse has some sort of lag/jumpy movement with the tracking when moving the mouse. Have you experience any of this? Since you got it recently you may have gotten from a newer batch or something. Everything else about it looks great, but Ive just seen so many instances of tracking issues with the G600.
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My mouse tracks just fine on my Razer Vespula. I haven't had any hiccups since I took it out the box.

Edit: I just finished my migration from win 7 to win 8, and tracking is still fine. I've tried all of my usb ports, and I'm still not noticing any tracking issues. I've also tried different reporting rates, and the tracking is still the same, minus the quality degradations you get from using a lower report rate. The same applies to my G700.
Edited by airisom2 - 4/6/13 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by tigim101 View Post

Im in the market for a new mouse and was thinking of something with a lot of buttons (like the g600) since I play a lot of MMOs. The main thing that has been detracting me from the G600 is that A LOT of people have said the mouse has some sort of lag/jumpy movement with the tracking when moving the mouse. Have you experience any of this? Since you got it recently you may have gotten from a newer batch or something. Everything else about it looks great, but Ive just seen so many instances of tracking issues with the G600.


Tracking is still laggy and inconsistent, but it feels "fine" for those who don't notice it.
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Bump. I've updated the OP with some G700s impressions, did a bit of organizing, and did some updates that I promised.
post #7 of 13
quick question any idea if you have the newer G600 or the older one?
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I have the newer G600. For anyone who doesn't know about the G600 versions, check this website out.

Edit: the older version also doesn't have the ability to update the firmware.
Edited by airisom2 - 10/26/13 at 7:35pm
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Maybe the reason that the actuation force is lower on the right scroll wheel tilt (if I am understanding you correctly) is because it is more difficult to pres the scroll wheel to the right than it is to lean it to the left.
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Nope, the clickbox for the right tilt is physically different from the left one. I took the mouse apart and confirmed it.
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