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I would have to agree that you won't notice much of a difference at all with your proposed build vs your current one.

I'm a big AMD fan saying this. I also have respect for Intel, I'm actually in the homework phase of a new side build using all Intel and nVidia. Something I haven't done since 1996 with a twin Pentium III and twin VooDoo 5 gpus (nVidia bought VooDoo eight after that).

Anyways, I would recommend if your going to spend the money on a new build, unless its for fun like the one in building now, don't spend the money unless your going to notice the difference. I would say wait until AMD comes out with either the Steamroller next year or the proposed Excavator in 2015. Also you should wait for the 7990 or 8xxx series. THEN you'll see a difference worth your money.

the sabertooth is also a waste of money. Besides looking kinda cool, the M5A99FX Pro is a better MoBo for less money. I love ASUS, they're my favorite mobo brand but I admit they can over price themselves too. Like the Crosshair V is just an M5A88FX Pro in a prettier color sceem with a nice soundcard for over $100 more.
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the sabertooth is also a waste of money. Besides looking kinda cool, the M5A99FX Pro is a better MoBo for less money. I love ASUS, they're my favorite mobo brand but I admit they can over price themselves too. Like the Crosshair V is just an M5A88FX Pro in a prettier color sceem with a nice soundcard for over $100 more.
I'm very confused by you. They don't make the second mentioned board and there isn't a board with the same possible x8/x8/x8 or x16/x16 config the CVF has
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The only reason I'm strongly considering Intel for my Fall build is motherboard support. There's just not as many motherboards available for the AMD enthusiasts sector. If motherboard manus wake up and realize they have a niche to fill I may just stick with AMD, but until then having the option of building a badass ITX, mATX, ATX, or eATX system with an Intel CPU is just more appealing to me. redface.gif
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The only reason I'm strongly considering Intel for my Fall build is motherboard support. There's just not as many motherboards available for the AMD enthusiasts sector. If motherboard manus wake up and realize they have a niche to fill I may just stick with AMD, but until then having the option of building a badass ITX, mATX, ATX, or eATX system with an Intel CPU is just more appealing to me. redface.gif

I actually like the less choices because ...well ... it's less choices that drive me crazy, plus on the whole their is a higher percentage of quality AM3+ mobo than there are with Intel. It takes longer to sift through the junk.

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I'm very confused by you. They don't make the second mentioned board and there isn't a board with the same possible x8/x8/x8 or x16/x16 config the CVF has

This board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131851

I misstyped the second time. You are correct, it does not do have x8x8x8 but it does allow for x16x16, not many people triSLI or trifire and those that do, won't mind spending the extra money on a Crosshair or Maximus
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I actually like the less choices because ...well ... it's less choices that drive me crazy, plus on the whole their is a higher percentage of quality AM3+ mobo than there are with Intel. It takes longer to sift through the junk.
Choosing an intel board is like choosing what cheese to eat next morning ... you take a whole night to choose and wind up not eating any cheese
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This board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131851

I misstyped the second time. You are correct, it does not do have x8x8x8 but it does allow for x16x16, not many people triSLI or trifire and those that do, won't mind spending the extra money on a Crosshair or Maximus
Well anyway i won't be seeing anyone doing TriFire on AMD platforms, i'm pretty sure there will be a CPU bottleneck even in dualfire tongue.gif
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Choosing an intel board is like choosing what cheese to eat next morning ... you take a whole night to choose and wind up not eating any cheese

Im sorry but wow, just wow.
 
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Choosing an intel board is like choosing what cheese to eat next morning ... you take a whole night to choose and wind up not eating any cheese
Well anyway i won't be seeing anyone doing TriFire on AMD platforms, i'm pretty sure there will be a CPU bottleneck even in dualfire tongue.gif

You sir suck too many monkey balls its clouding your judgement
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AMD CPU's are made differently from Intel CPU's and have different thermal tolerances.

It's not really the thermal tolerances that are different, it's the fact that AMD platforms attempt to report package/TCASE temperature, while Intel platforms are based around the distance to TJmax.

They aren't directly comparable because TJ can easily be 20-30C hotter than TCASE on the same CPU at the same moment in time.
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I'm a gamer and used to run a 4.8Ghz Phenom 2 x6 ( Was 24/7 phase cooled ) and I ended up moving to a 2500k because my Phenom 2 x6 was limiting my at the time 5850 Crossfire, even at 4.8Ghz.

At stock clocks in games like Crysis and the STALKER series the 2500k was noticeably faster at stock clocks.

I don't mind AMD, it just annoys me how blind the fan boys are claiming they don't CPU limit any GPU when it's been proven time and time again that they do and especially when I've experienced it personally.

5850 Crossfire at 850Mhz

Phenom 2 x6 - Average 55fps, minimum 38fps, GPU use 80-90%

Then I moved to the 2500k, same drivers and GPU clocks...

2500K - Average 60fps, minimum 48fps, GPU use 95-99%

I still have the screen shots in my photo-bucket somewhere..... A massive 26% improvement in minimum frame rate!! A single 5850 at 1000Mhz being driven by my 2500k was smoother then the 5850 Crossfire was on the Phenom 2 when running Crysis, was also the case for quite a few games too.

I miss my Phenom 2 though, was my first real enthusiast level CPU frown.gif
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There is a very big difference between hating and criticising AMD builds. Many times new AMD users trow out sour grapes arguments to justify their decisions. Arguing that you don't notice the difference between a FX-8350 and a 3770k when running game/software X is a very, very poor justification. You don't notice the difference between a phenom II x4 965, a i7 920 and a 3770k either in a lot of scenarios. That does not mean that the 3770k is not the superior CPU. If you don't need/want/afford the power of a 3770k then don't by it. If you don't need/want/afford the power of a FX-8350 don't buy it.

What maters is actually performance and performance per dollar. The fact is that the FX-8350 competes with the 3570k in price and performance. If you want more performance then Intel is the only option.

Now some argue that FX-8350 should be compared to the i5-3470 rather then the 3570k but we are on OCN so here we are more often interested in OC'd performance meaning the 3470 is often dropped and the 3570k is compared instead despite it being slightly more expensive then the FX-8350.

As most out us who like to keep informed know the FX-8350 and 3570k when OC'd offer different kinds of performance. As the 3570k uses fewer threads it will out performance the FX-8350 in poorly threaded applications. In order for the FX-8350 to be faster then a 3570k the application not only needs to support 8 cores but has to be very well load balanced so you don't run in to single thread saturation. So if you know the software you are going to use is going to be able to use the FX-8350 to its full potential then by all means get is as it will give the best performance per dollar. However for a gaming rig the 3570k is a safer choice as it will offer good performance in both well threaded games and games with piss poor threading that only barely make use of a second core.

Now that is if we are talking new builds. If someone already has an AM3+ board then just dropping in a new CPU is obviously going to by far be the most cost effective way to get more performance so anyone running a old x4 Phenom II on a AM3+ board should not hesitate to swap to a FX-8350.
    
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