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No, that's about the development tools, it doesn't say the console itself runs W7.

I'm sorry if I was mistaken. I was thinking that the "development environment" coding would in some way relate to the "environment" they were coding for.

As for why Msoft would allow this ...consider it the high price of Blu-Ray.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software
The native operating system of the PlayStation 3 is CellOS, which is believed to be a branch from the FreeBSD project.
As for Vita, doubt that it's BSD, cause it has poor support for non-x86. Something proprietary, definitely not GNU-licensed.

Ah, oops. I always mix up OpenBSD and FreeBSD for some reason, despite only having used FreeBSD. Thanks for the catch.

Maybe, but I was under the impression most of the stuff that BSD lacked in support for the ARM architecture is the kind of stuff Sony wouldn't have to worry that much about, stuff like drivers they'd either write themselves or contract another company out to write.
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I'm sorry if I was mistaken. I was thinking that the "development environment" coding would in some way relate to the "environment" they were coding for.

As for why Msoft would allow this ...consider it the high price of Blu-Ray.

Sony are only one part of the BluRay consortium, and likely wouldn't charge MS for it anyway...And yes, it means that they have some plugins for Visual Studio 2010 and 2012 on a pre-installed or custom baked Windows 7 version in laymens terms.
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A GPU that's roughly somewhere between a 7850 and 7870 with an 8 core APU would technically be a mid-range gaming rig if it were a PC.

Actually it's pretty high end. A 7850 might be mid range to us but it's an incredible GPU and actually high end. The CPU is also high end, it being an octa core, just downclocked and probably binned to reduce power consumption.

I know a self styled geek who says his PC has two motherboards to fit his CPU's in his case. He has a dual core 5800+, which he thinks means having two physical CPU's on his board, not realising that the other physical board is his GPU. He thinks that the nVidia bus on his motherboard is special and speeds his internet up. On top of that he thinks his RAM is cutting edge, being DDR 2 and his GPU from 2007 (9500GT) is super high end because the number is high.

This guy thinks he's a hardcore hacker and coder, calls himself a computer geek but has no clue what he's talking about. Going by his standards my PC is still very high end, which it is compared with the average nub and mine is not much compared with the upcoming consoles. Thus I wouldn't call these consoles mid range at all.
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Actually it's pretty high end. A 7850 might be mid range to us but it's an incredible GPU and actually high end. The CPU is also high end, it being an octa core, just downclocked and probably binned to reduce power consumption.

I know a self styled geek who says his PC has two motherboards to fit his CPU's in his case. He has a dual core 5800+, which he thinks means having two physical CPU's on his board, not realising that the other physical board is his GPU. He thinks that the nVidia bus on his motherboard is special and speeds his internet up. On top of that he thinks his RAM is cutting edge, being DDR 2 and his GPU from 2007 (9500GT) is super high end because the number is high.

This guy thinks he's a hardcore hacker and coder, calls himself a computer geek but has no clue what he's talking about. Going by his standards my PC is still very high end, which it is compared with the average nub and mine is not much compared with the upcoming consoles. Thus I wouldn't call these consoles mid range at all.

The CPU isn't high-end, its Jaguar based which is the upgraded version of Bobcat (AMDs Atom competitor...that beats the Atom handily)

I remember someone telling me he had a "Core i7 Black Edition" and was using $600 coolant in his 'refrigerator cooling loop' once, that was funny.
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AMD could provide an integrated solution through its APU that Nvidia couldn't, he continued,

Told you so!
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post #106 of 146
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The CPU isn't high-end, its Jaguar based which is the upgraded version of Bobcat (AMDs Atom competitor...that beats the Atom handily)

I remember someone telling me he had a "Core i7 Black Edition" and was using $600 coolant in his 'refrigerator cooling loop' once, that was funny.


Doesn't mean you can turn a "low-end" CPU into a CPU on roids...

I find it interesting how they decided to use Jaguar designed for low power consumption, instead of Steamroller/Kaveri which was meant for desktops and mainstream laptops.


Anyone remember the widespread MHz myth? "Dude, why does a crappy i3 beat the snot out of my higher clocked P4?"
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Doesn't mean you can turn a "low-end" CPU into a CPU on roids...

I find it interesting how they decided to use Jaguar designed for low power consumption, instead of Steamroller/Kaveri which was meant for desktops and mainstream laptops.


Anyone remember the widespread MHz myth? "Dude, why does a crappy i3 beat the snot out of my higher clocked P4?"

Don't know any that compared p4's to i3's... but I knew that was the case in the A64 days. Was always nice having a 2.0ghz or so s939 cpu whooping on 3.8-4ghz p4's tongue.gif
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Here's some food for thought for those who are obsessed with "high-end" components. Aside from the obvious comparison fallacy of price (a "high-end" graphics card would probably cost as much or more than an entire console), I want you all to think about *why* you need a graphics card better than 7850/7870 in the PS4.

There's no doubting that a 7970 will seriously outperform the aforementioned graphics cards by significant margins in synthetic benchmarks and FPS, but what's the point? The graphics card in the PS4, especially when playing optimized software and reduced overhead as it will in console form, can play every game available today at 40+ fps at 1080p with maximum settings (with the exception of maybe Crysis 3). There is no need for anything above 60fps or resolutions greater than 1080p in a console in today's market.

You have to remember the objective -- the consoles aren't meant to push 200fps at 1440p. Sure, graphics cards today can do that, but it's totally gratuitous and there is no point for a console to do this. If you really want to call the 7850 "low-end", then sure, go for it. Compared to a 7970/GTX680, it is low-end; but that just reflects how far ahead graphical hardware is beyond the availability of software and engines to even utilize them.

"Low-end" in reality, is fairly high-end, perfectly capable to handling any game today at playable frame rates, and is more than good enough. Let's be honest here -- for 95% of games and use scenarios, you probably won't notice a difference between a 7850 and a 7990 when you're playing (unless you're so obsessive you're not okay with 60 fps vs 200 fps, assuming your eyes can even tell the difference).
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I said this before and I'll say it again:

Consoles don't use new tech, they use proven tech.

You will NEVER see a console with new tech. NEVER. As a company - if that new tech fails, do you really want to deal with the repercussions? Of course not.

Besides, we all know that you don't need new tech to perform well. You just need specially engineered tech along with specially engineered games. Just like the new slim PS3 can't play PS2 games. It doesn't have the processor power to emulate the Emotion processor but does that mean it has less power than a PS2? Obviously not.


The cell processor in the PS3 would like a word with you...
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Never heard of a PC with 8 gigs of GDDR5 Ram.....guess that's been proven in another dimension
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