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Well, Nividia stated that they're more interested in the mobile market.

If they succeed, they'll make a lot more money than AMD or even Intel from the smartphones and tablets. And possibly dictate how mobile apps will be designed, which will be a pain for Intel (their GPUs aren't the greatest), and especially AMD (financially broke).

If they fail, then they would have to contend with console ports that were designed on AMD's APUs, with limited cash from discrete laptop/desktop GPU sales. And Intel is going to keep throwing more silicon die at the GPU problem.
I think IBM is more content with just staying in the background, eating popcorn, and stockpiling on an absurd patents. I do believe they filed or were granted a patent, that patented the process of filing a patent.

The problem for Nvidia is that they're gambling bigger than both AMD and Intel. Tegra 3 wasn't what they hoped and Tegra 4 is really gonna have to pay off if they are to make it big in the mobile sector.
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I said this before and I'll say it again:

Consoles don't use new tech, they use proven tech.

You will NEVER see a console with new tech. NEVER. As a company - if that new tech fails, do you really want to deal with the repercussions? Of course not.

Besides, we all know that you don't need new tech to perform well. You just need specially engineered tech along with specially engineered games. Just like the new slim PS3 can't play PS2 games. It doesn't have the processor power to emulate the Emotion processor but does that mean it has less power than a PS2? Obviously not.

What are you babling? This is not proven tech. It is as new as it gets. It is designed specifically for this application. The right term is high end. A console cannot use the pcs high end tech because it is way too expensive, produces way to much heat and uses too much energy.

Nvidias comparison was utterly stupid. Comparing a 500 euro gfx card with a 500 euro console. It was the dumbest thing they could do. They should have just shut up and moved on.

If it is true what they claim I personally think a hd7850 in a console is pretty awesome. It is an enormous step up from the current gen. And seeing how some current titles look I think most gamers will be very happy.
 
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PS3 was proven tech? Yeah, so proven, that "no games" meme was born, lol. Proven tech is Wii, it's a slug in comparison, but did wonders for them.
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Where are you people getting this "7850-ish-like" graphics in PS4 info from?

Nice to know, I guess. But that doesn't sound "next-gen" to me.

Seriously, I would like to read more on this.

EDIT: nvm found it
Edited by mrawesome421 - 3/30/13 at 1:00am
 
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post #35 of 146
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Where are you people getting this "7850-ish-like" graphics in PS4 info from?

Nice to know, I guess. But that doesn't sound "next-gen" to me.

Seriously, I would like to read more on this.

it came from the specced leaked teraflops of the ps4 that was 1.84 teraflops, which compared to the 7850 is 1.76(which is close enough, where the 7870 is 2.56). its just small debate if the gpu is closer to a 7850 or closer to a 7970m
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What are you babling? This is not proven tech. It is as new as it gets. It is designed specifically for this application. The right term is high end. A console cannot use the pcs high end tech because it is way too expensive, produces way to much heat and uses too much energy.

Nvidias comparison was utterly stupid. Comparing a 500 euro gfx card with a 500 euro console. It was the dumbest thing they could do. They should have just shut up and moved on.

If it is true what they claim I personally think a hd7850 in a console is pretty awesome. It is an enormous step up from the current gen. And seeing how some current titles look I think most gamers will be very happy.

Is the CPU/GPU not derived from proven technologies....not talking about the "new" package but isn't the core hardware design proven tech?

I assumed that the CPU part was a derivative from piledriver/?? possibly steamroller which is a tweak from "Proven" earlier technologies ie the bulldozer..

Is the GPU not based on the 7K series which was a bastard baby from the 6k series?

To me that sounds like proven tech, not to mention they are onto the 3rd tweak of their APU's...."I think, don't quote me on that.."...
Edited by smash_mouth01 - 3/30/13 at 1:10am
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Is the CPU/GPU not derived from proven technologies....not talking about the "new" package but isn't the core hardware design proven tech?

I assumed that the CPU part was a derivative from piledriver/?? possibly steamroller which is a tweak from "Proven" earlier technologies ie the bulldozer..

Is the GPU not based on the 7K series which was a bastard baby from the 6k series?

To me that sounds like proven tech, not to mention they are onto the 3rd tweak of their APU's...."I think, don't quote me on that.."...
The CPU is Jaguar and the GPU is GCN2.0, both proven tech.

Jaguar is currently powering the supercomputer behind the light deck at Stony Brook University. It's not the bulldozer architecture.
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the specs is rather lowend tho..the only good thing for it imo is the fact that its an apu..
 
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HD 7870 vs 660ti showdown with system bench softwares and dx11 games(tested with latest drivers)-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORrXy-GV0P8

amd all the way
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the specs is rather lowend tho..the only good thing for it imo is the fact that its an apu..

An 8 core APU with a 7850 GPU is definitely low end. Why, oh why, aren't they using LN2 cooled 3970X with quad Titans?
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