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Well even PD are not true 8 cores.

But i mean a more main stream 8 core.

There we go again.

PD is not a true quadcore only if you make use of 256bit AVX, then both FMA units fuse into a single 256bit precision one.

To all other intents and purposes, it is an eight core with four shared decoders.


Back on topic. It was obvious that NVIDIA was mad because they didn't secure even one deal.
   
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the specs is rather lowend tho..the only good thing for it imo is the fact that its an apu..

Well just have to wait and see how well it compares to PC's in real life. The Xbox 360 can out put about the same fidelity graphics as a PC with a fast core 2 duo and a 8800 GTS. That's something like a 50-100% improvement due to reduced overhead.

So the question is how will the new consoles compare to their PC equivalents? There will be much more overhead this time as the new consoles have fully fledged operating systems (according to rumors at least).

My guess is that a PS4 will have similar fidelity as a gaming PC with a FX-6300 and a 7970 at launch. They might gain another 20-30% performance with further optimization but by 2015 single Gpu gaming PC's will once again have a firm lead over the consoles. 2cents.gif
    
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the specs is rather lowend tho..the only good thing for it imo is the fact that its an apu..

If you were to use the same exact hardware spec on a PC, your games will run slower than the console.

Why?

Consoles have less overhead. Their OS don't need to support many features that Windows has to, and developers can program the games closer to the metal with less software in the way.

Since a console is a standardized PC, developers don't have to take in account of thousands of different hardware configs that would affect performance/stability. If it runs on a PS4, then it will run on all PS4s.

However, given enough time, PCs will outperform consoles through sheer computation power. No amount of optimization of a Xbox 360 game is going to allow the 8 years old console to stand up to an i3 + 7850.
Edited by A Bad Day - 3/30/13 at 6:20am
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If you were to use the same exact hardware spec on a PC, your games will run slower than the console.

Why?

Consoles have less overhead. Their OS don't need to support many features that Windows has to, and developers can program the games closer to the metal with less software in the way.

Since a console is a standardized PC, developers don't have to take in account of thousands of different hardware configs that would affect performance/stability. If it runs on a PS4, then it will run on all PS4s.

However, given enough time, PCs will outperform consoles through sheer computation power. No amount of optimization of a Xbox 360 game is going to allow the 8 years old console to stand up to an i3 + 7850.


Um ok... so you know something about the new OS we don't? The buzz is that 720 is running a windows 8 variant. Plenty of overhead. No idea what Sony is running but theyve never been real BRILLIANT at optimizing software.
 
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i dont want amd to be in the xbox or ps4 sadsmiley.giftonguesmiley.gif
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i dont want amd to be in the xbox or ps4 sadsmiley.giftonguesmiley.gif

Why not?

This has the potential to be great news for all of us. If AMD, Sony and Microsoft can get console software developers to utilize all threads and it transfers over to PC gaming then that is good news whether you're an AMD or Intel CPU owner. It also may give AMD the financial boost they need to implement their HSA plan which may also bring good changes to our computer building future.
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i dont want amd to be in the xbox or ps4 sadsmiley.giftonguesmiley.gif

Why not? AMD offers a far better solution than Nvidia, Intel, IBM and Sony/Microsoft them self can ever do. AMD's hardware is not weak nor bad, AMD's processors for the price can compete with Intel and their graphic cards are more powerful while sadly they currently have small problems with their drivers on PC, so does Nvidia has here and there. AMD is not in good position since its in debt for about 2-3B$, so they are tight on money and budget but consoles, tablets, laptops and other things can get them out of this screwed situation.

If there were no AMD's hardware in all next generation consoles you would have for the same price a weaker console, AMD is often under-rated and in reality it really kicked Intel couple of times with Athlon and Athlon 64 and Intel mostly does is tweaking and rarely implementing improvements on their processor architecture that is based on Core 2 Duo while C2D roots lead to Pentium 3. Intel is only shrinking down and putting as much transistors as possible and they "innovate".

Now that Intel and Nvidia dropped the ball, AMD has a chance to overtake significant portion of the market and get out of debts and increase the competition on the market and push innovation compared to Intel right now.

Look what AMD's products and OEM's products with AMD's hardware can do...

AMD Temash:
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what's with all these publicity remarks made by the manufactures of these next-gen consoles? It's a microsoft vs sony show, not a hardware manufacture vs one another....Never heard IBM hyping up with CPU's for last gen's CPU's...


You are right Sony Vs Micrsoft Vs Ninitdo turned to console vs pc war.
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Um ok... so you know something about the new OS we don't? The buzz is that 720 is running a windows 8 variant. Plenty of overhead. No idea what Sony is running but theyve never been real BRILLIANT at optimizing software.

Does a console OS need to support:

-Readyboost
-Folders
-Printers
-Multi-montiors
-Generic drivers (should the specific one is missing or broken)
-Backward compatibility with legacy hardware
-Support for up to 256 logical processors
-Task Manager and Resource Monitor
-A variety of file formats (FAT16, FAT32, etc)
-Virtual Hard Disk (allows dual OS booting)
-Windows XP Mode
-BitLocker to Go (USB encryption)
-Biometrics (allows standardization of fingerprint readers)
-DirectAccess (provides intranet-like connectivity over the internet using VPN)
-HomeGroup
-Background Intelligent Transfer Service
-Tablet PC Input Panel
-Windows Fax and Scan

-And other stuff that consoles can do without?
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i dont want amd to be in the xbox or ps4 sadsmiley.giftonguesmiley.gif

Other than AMD being AMD, what's your complaint about having an APU in the PS4 or Xbox 720?
Edited by A Bad Day - 3/30/13 at 8:01am
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Um ok... so you know something about the new OS we don't? The buzz is that 720 is running a windows 8 variant. Plenty of overhead. No idea what Sony is running but theyve never been real BRILLIANT at optimizing software.

It's running a windows 8 kernel. Kernel != OS...
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