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Is the CPU/GPU not derived from proven technologies....not talking about the "new" package but isn't the core hardware design proven tech?

I assumed that the CPU part was a derivative from piledriver/?? possibly steamroller which is a tweak from "Proven" earlier technologies ie the bulldozer..

Is the GPU not based on the 7K series which was a bastard baby from the 6k series?

To me that sounds like proven tech, not to mention they are onto the 3rd tweak of their APU's...."I think, don't quote me on that.."...

We seem to have a different view on proven tech. See in that way the Nvidia Titan is also proven tech. Ivy bridge was proven tech when it was released and so on and so on.

As far as I know you cannot buy an 8 core Jaguar APU with an integraded GPU that crossfires with another GPU to create something about as strong as a HD7850 anywhere. They made it for this setup. So no that is not proven tech, The fact that it both uses the same DDR5 ram is not proven tech to me. At least I can't find a laptop or desktop with these specs.

In my opinion this is all new. Not being sold before.

Everything is based on something. We aren't both talking about the same thing it seems.
 
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AMD gave Sony a price lower than nVidia, making money on the backend (i.e. percentage of sales) != Hardware nVidia Couldn't Have Made.

AMD, work on your drivers, Skyrim is broken still.
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As long as this means better and easier ports to PC I will be happy, no matter who gives hardware to console makers.

I'm hoping they won't have to port and will just scale since that the next generation of consoles are literally gaming tuned/focused PCs.
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i dont want amd to be in the xbox or ps4 sadsmiley.giftonguesmiley.gif

Don't feed the troll!

I'm happy that the PS4 is powered by AMD. Atleast it taught Nvidia a lesson.
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We seem to have a different view on proven tech. See in that way the Nvidia Titan is also proven tech. Ivy bridge was proven tech when it was released and so on and so on.

As far as I know you cannot buy an 8 core Jaguar APU with an integraded GPU that crossfires with another GPU to create something about as strong as a HD7850 anywhere. They made it for this setup. So no that is not proven tech, The fact that it both uses the same DDR5 ram is not proven tech to me. At least I can't find a laptop or desktop with these specs.

In my opinion this is all new. Not being sold before.

Everything is based on something. We aren't both talking about the same thing it seems.

PlayStation 4 has an 8 core APU with a GPU inside, there is no crossfireX/dual graphics in PlayStation 4 and PlayStation's 4 is an semi-custom APU. If you want to test it then buy it and Sony would not use an APU if they din't test it and do some research, if it can run Unreal Engine 4 then its fine...

Skepticism is good but on proven tech like APU's is just shameful.
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Don't feed the troll!

I'm happy that the PS4 is powered by AMD. Atleast it taught Nvidia a lesson.

I'm just curious at to what lesson Nvidia was taught?

Was it the fact that even they are not large enough to have teams work on Tegra, Geforce and design and build console APUs?

Or was it the fact that AMD could do it cheaper than they could?

Nvidia took a gamble on Tegra being more profitable than a console tie in. Only time will tell if they were right.

I can't get over how much ridiculous brand bashing is going on in this thread. They exist to take your money people not to be your friend.
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An 8 core APU with a 7850 GPU is definitely low end. Why, oh why, aren't they using LN2 cooled 3970X with quad Titans?

remember that clock for clock amd chips are still slower than intel chips, and it doesnt help that ps4 chips are clocked at 3.6ghz..less than half of the average mid end intel chips today...and compared to a 3930k its hella slow
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If you were to use the same exact hardware spec on a PC, your games will run slower than the console.

Why?

Consoles have less overhead. Their OS don't need to support many features that Windows has to, and developers can program the games closer to the metal with less software in the way.

Since a console is a standardized PC, developers don't have to take in account of thousands of different hardware configs that would affect performance/stability. If it runs on a PS4, then it will run on all PS4s.

However, given enough time, PCs will outperform consoles through sheer computation power. No amount of optimization of a Xbox 360 game is going to allow the 8 years old console to stand up to an i3 + 7850.
im surprised people are still talking about overheads in 2013, as the hardware gets better, the overhead gets less significant.. its like 1 dividing by a bigger and bigger number, the % different from the overhead gets smaller and smaller and eventually it doesnt even matter anymore, no amount of overhead is gonna make up the difference between a gtx 570class gpu and a 680/7970 class gpu...
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I'm just curious at to what lesson Nvidia was taught?

Was it the fact that even they are not large enough to have teams work on Tegra, Geforce and design and build console APUs?

Or was it the fact that AMD could do it cheaper than they could?

Nvidia took a gamble on Tegra being more profitable than a console tie in. Only time will tell if they were right.

I can't get over how much ridiculous brand bashing is going on in this thread. They exist to take your money people not to be your friend.

Nvidia bashed AMD about PlayStation 4 and calling it a low end PC because they were mad that nobody wanted them and everyone jumped onto x86 bandwagon while Nvidia is alone and taking gamble with Tegra that is not popular and Nvidia Shield that is aimed for market that is non-existent.

Nvidia trashed and AMD responded and burned Nvidia by pointing the fact they don't have the necessary solution and hardware needed for Microsoft and Sony. AMD has their GPU's in current generation consoles Xbox 360 and Wii, in the next generation they have in Wii U, Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 so AMD has a monopoly on mainstream console's and it automatically turned game developers towards them. If all goes well AMD will able to invest more in R&D and at least partially pay of its debt...

Also AMD has an supreme advantage over Intel in tablets, Temash APU's ran over Intel's currently available solutions and will beat Intel's follow up... AMD made blitzkriegs on two fronts and that is the tablets and console's, hopefully Richland will perform well and AMD's GPU Division will resolve latency issues very soon.

Its rumored that AMD will ship games with their processors, anyone has a link?
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i really hope this turns things for the better.
x86 architecture on consoles + making nvidia play ball = hopefully better for us

+1
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im surprised people are still talking about overheads in 2013, as the hardware gets better, the overhead gets less significant.. its like 1 dividing by a bigger and bigger number, the % different from the overhead gets smaller and smaller and eventually it doesnt even matter anymore, no amount of overhead is gonna make up the difference between a gtx 570class gpu and a 680/7970 class gpu...

Intel promised a 10% performance increase in their GPU with a driver update.

Tell me that 10% does not matter.


EDIT: A while ago, Tom's Hardware did a GPU driver experiment on a 4850. They tested a variety of drivers ranging from the first stable release for the 4850, and the latest one when they started doing the benchmarks.

They concluded by staying up to date with the graphic drivers, the updated 4850 matched an un-updated 4870 in performance.
Edited by A Bad Day - 3/30/13 at 12:18pm
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