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It had been reported for a long time by sites like [H] that Crossfire didn't feel as smooth, the tools now being used just demonstrate why that is.

To say that Crossfire issues have not been noted before in reviews is incorrect

I didn't single out CF. We all know CF and SLI have issues. No real worth in debating that. But for single card setups especially, this wasn't an issue. A few complaints here and there amongst a sea of praises isn't a wide blown issue. Yet if you read these articles, they make it seem like you can't even enjoy gaming on an AMD system anymore. It's pathetic if you ask me.

If its such a massive issue, they should have been making a point of it in nearly every review, yet, no mention of such things 99% of the time...
AMD Radeon HD 7950 Boost vs. Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 Ti: frame times review
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Radeon HD 7950 vs. GeForce GTX 660 Ti revisited


here's a couple of single GPU tests as well...
read the article AS WELL AS look at the pics.. wink.gif
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AMD Radeon HD 7950 Boost vs. Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 Ti: frame times review
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Radeon HD 7950 vs. GeForce GTX 660 Ti revisited


here's a couple of single GPU tests as well...
read the article AS WELL AS look at the pics.. wink.gif

Its convenient that nv people will argue price performance for 7950 vs 660ti/670, but when its titan vs 7990 hell no.

So I'll throw a third POV in.

If I bought a 660ti I'd have regretted every second because surround gaming needs more than 2gb of vram in todays texture filled world.

Inb4 no one realizes that bandwidth matters...
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No one was talking about frame rating before the 12.11 drivers hit, I find that curious to say the least.

The first recent article about it (there was also some talk years ago) was the Tech Report article from Sep 2011. That was well before the 12.11 drivers hit.

http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking
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The first recent article about it (there was also some talk years ago) was the Tech Report article from Sep 2011. That was well before the 12.11 drivers hit.

http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking

I miss a memo where we were talking before the current gen was even released? confused.gif
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only reason for a PS4 is to play God of War... that's it.
the PS4 is going to be an AMD APU I believe but I'm not sure about that.

stay PC man, grab you some more monitors and go Surround.. wink.gif

And do what? Play either pc only racing sims or console ports released six to nine months after release on consoles? Or use that surround setup for some indie games hehe.
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AMD Radeon HD 7950 Boost vs. Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 Ti: frame times review
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Radeon HD 7950 vs. GeForce GTX 660 Ti revisited


here's a couple of single GPU tests as well...
read the article AS WELL AS look at the pics.. wink.gif

Its convenient that nv people will argue price performance for 7950 vs 660ti/670, but when its titan vs 7990 hell no.

So I'll throw a third POV in.

If I bought a 660ti I'd have regretted every second because surround gaming needs more than 2gb of vram in todays texture filled world.

Inb4 no one realizes that bandwidth matters...

the 192-bit interface is only detriment for larger resolutions and especially Surround set-ups but then so is the 2GB of VRAM though not that bad.
but to be honest whomever is attempting to run a Surround set-up off a single GTX 660 Ti needs to be committed anyways.
turning down the AA doesn't help much.

but @ 1080p the GTX 660 Ti is stellar and since the prices of the GTX 660 Ti are now in the $250-275 range,
makes it a winner over the HD 7950 to me. and so say the all the 'BIASED' reports...

so to sum it up, 1080p, 2GB VRAM and 192-bit interface = 660Ti > 7950..
notice I just didn't mention the 'elephant in the room' framing issues.

am I wrong.?
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I think it's a better idea that they both use Microsoft's theoretically unbiased solution, though. But it's just frame metering, so I don't really care.
Blah! I'm erasing this from my head.

I think someone should provide a deep view into how both multiGPU solutions work, so we can see if it's an issue with how it is executed, or it is simply a fault/mistake at some point that can be easily fixed without reworking the whole system.

I'm guessing it's sloppy dev work, not that I'm saying AMD does bad dev work. To put it in perspective, you have a company that's got multiple fronts. AMD is working on a NEW CPU arch, a NEW APU arch, a NEW graphics arch, all relatively recent when you look at the company history. They have some hard projects going on, where Nvidia has what? Tegra and discrete graphics? Tegra is the only real new thing they have, fermi is new but to a company that was originally designed for discrete graphics solutions that isn't nearly as a big deal. That is, when you compare it to a company that has created a new branch of CPU/GPU tech without just shrinking the die and slapping on a graphics core (Intel). All of AMD's new adventures are being done with a company that has less capital than either of their competitors.

to put it lightly, AMD has almost too much on their plate. Anything non-essential isn't going to get the attention from them like the competitors. Simple as that, great cards still. For the price, the 7950 is personally the best single card solution (I have to add, as long as you stick with windows). That's how I see it, other than that the 660ti is pretty close. With how much more we are pushing for high res textures, I think it might be worth it saving up and getting a 670 though. That would personally be the ideal card this gen, if it was priced lower it would be (IMO) the best deal. A solid single card solution with the best possible multi-card setup, that is if it were priced cheaper. Thing is, 7950 is pretty cheap and really cheap for a multi-card solution.
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the 192-bit interface is only detriment for larger resolutions and especially Surround set-ups but then so is the 2GB of VRAM though not that bad.
but to be honest whomever is attempting to run a Surround set-up off a single GTX 660 Ti needs to be committed anyways.
turning down the AA doesn't help much.

but @ 1080p the GTX 660 Ti is stellar and since the prices of the GTX 660 Ti are now in the $250-275 range,
makes it a winner over the HD 7950 to me. and so say the all the 'BIASED' reports...

so to sum it up, 1080p, 2GB VRAM and 192-bit interface = 660Ti > 7950..
notice I just didn't mention the 'elephant in the room' framing issues.

am I wrong.?

Well you are going to be disappointed :
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in Linus's defense, he just needed to make a quick video on surround with those Acers for the NCIX channel, which is closer to his (real) job, and that LAN rig was probably the only available in such a short notice
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only reason for a PS4 is to play God of War... that's it.
the PS4 is going to be an AMD APU I believe but I'm not sure about that.

stay PC man, grab you some more monitors and go Surround.. wink.gif

Me and my friends have decided they need to make a GOW gaming box, with yearly GOW releases only. i'd pay for that, I'd subscribe for that, it's GOW!!!!!

Sorry, I just think for that game style GOW had the best play, level design, storyline, ect... On a more serious note about it, I don't know if I could buy one after 3. The end is just too well done, they should leave it at that and make a new story as to not ruin the game.

also liked your 660ti bit, really is a solid card for 1080p. I still paid the money for a 7950, 2 free games? Yeah, it made my decision for me. Though I'm thinking of upgrading my system and going with a cheap 660ti sli rig this summer, not sure. Heck, my monitor is only 720p (native), it does 1080p but I think it scales the image. So if new linux games come out that the 7950 poops on, I might throw this card into the market for a 660ti trade. Who knows, it's too early and I've decided to put my bitterness about linux performance aside and try the card out for a while.
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the 192-bit interface is only detriment for larger resolutions and especially Surround set-ups but then so is the 2GB of VRAM though not that bad.
but to be honest whomever is attempting to run a Surround set-up off a single GTX 660 Ti needs to be committed anyways.
turning down the AA doesn't help much.

but @ 1080p the GTX 660 Ti is stellar and since the prices of the GTX 660 Ti are now in the $250-275 range,
makes it a winner over the HD 7950 to me. and so say the all the 'BIASED' reports...

so to sum it up, 1080p, 2GB VRAM and 192-bit interface = 660Ti > 7950..
notice I just didn't mention the 'elephant in the room' framing issues.

am I wrong.?

No you're right, however just as many people don't care about this unnoticeable frame dropping issue (we are afterall arguing tenths-hundredths of a second here, are we not?) I personally don't consider gaming at 1080p impressive, previous gens have done that well. Lets see something new.

(oh, and my sig rig monitor specs aren't correct any longer btw, Im running 5x 1280, so 6752 x 1024 with correction, on 2 7950s smile.gif )

Not to mention there's tons of other things that people aren't taking into account into which makes which better, again, one has compute the other doesn't. One supports quad gpu layouts, does the other? (I ask as I do not know.) One has better drivers. I'm so tired of inconsequential issues being brought into arguments that there is no way people are actually being harmed by to try and tip the scales.

AFK from this thread for a bit, was just told I was insane because I believe if someone wanted to steal my information, they wouldn't invent million dollar hardware to do it.
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