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That's what I thought it was until I saw you call it a "res"

didn't even cross my mind. thought it was a usb powered bong -__- lol

USB powered bong lmao so you don't have to lurk it yourself, just injects straight into lungs.
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7950 xfire...Is this what you call stuttering?


Crysis 3


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I'm not sure why everybody keeps posting FRAPS when AMD and Nvidia agree that the way it measures in inherently flawed, all of these articles relate to measurements taken at a different point in the pipeline
'Fraps gives same fcats graphs with framecaps or dynamic vsync XD




unless you know your pcper is lying all along XD
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That is why frame capping, imo, is not a fix. You're losing way too much scaling - your $400-$450 purchase for an extra 35% realized performance boost makes about as much value sense as buying a single Titan. doh.gif

Hey! I resemble that statement! wink.gif

I don't care. I have not splurged on a piece of computer hardware since my X1900XT ($575 back in the day.). That card was a beast and so is the Titan. One thing for sure, @ 1200p with a Titan I never have to worry about frame rate, frame time or frame latency issues. biggrin.gif

That is exactly what I have been eyeballing and why. I might wait though till 78x release to see performance or Titan's prices are down.

It is a great card.

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Hey! I resemble that statement! wink.gif

I don't care. I have not splurged on a piece of computer hardware since my X1900XT ($575 back in the day.). That card was a beast and so is the Titan. One thing for sure, @ 1200p with a Titan I never have to worry about frame rate, frame time or frame latency issues. biggrin.gif

unleash that beast from the cage, splurge on 1440p or the 1600p monitor....don't let those vram memory sit on their arse all day....

Yeah, I am in a few months. biggrin.gif
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Frame Rating: GeForce GTX 660 Ti and Radeon HD 7950


Test System Setup
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Motherboard ASUS P9X79 Deluxe
Memory Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 16GB
Hard Drive OCZ Agility 4 256GB SSD
Sound Card On-board
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB
Graphics Drivers AMD: 13.2 beta 7
NVIDIA: 314.07 beta
Power Supply Corsair AX1200i
Operating System Windows 8 Pro x64


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Performance

In a very similar result to the HD 7970 and GTX 680 results we launched Frame Rating with, the AMD card here has done well when compared to the GTX 660 Ti in terms of single GPU performance. Both NVIDIA and AMD are doing great with single GPU frame rates, frame times and frame variances, especially in our 1920x1080 and 2560x1440 testing. Since the release of the GTX 680, and after it the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, AMD has been careful to position its products, based on pricing, so that they offer better performance per dollar than NVIDIA. That was the case when we tested with FRAPS exclusively and that continues to be the case with our new capture-based method, called Frame Rating.

The Radeon HD 7950 3GB (with Boost) is faster than the GeForce GTX 660 Ti in basically all six of our games tested today. Battlefield 3, Crysis 3, DiRT 3, Sleeping Dogs, Skyrim and Far Cry 3 all showed benefits in frame rates and frame times when run on the HD 7950 at single monitor resolutions. In many cases though the GTX 660 Ti was close; very close. At multi-monitor testing (5760x1080) the 3GB frame buffer of the HD 7950 seemed to stretch out the lead that AMD had in single card results, particularly in games like Skyrim and Battlefield 3. Having 50% more memory at that kind of resolution is definitely an advantage that AMD is holding on to.

The issue of multi-GPU gaming on AMD crept up again with CrossFire - AMD's HD 7950s in a pair were consistently resulting in runt frames and dropped frames that caused lower observed frame rates than found with the GTX 660 Ti in SLI. In fact, it occurred more often here with the HD 7950s than it did with the HD 7970s - both DiRT 3 and Skyrim had problems in our review today when they did not appear to have any issues with the initial launch article. This tells me that as performance of the GPU is starting to go down (as we step down the product stack) the bottleneck of the GPU is going to cause more of these problems, not less.

This doesn't paint a very good picture for the Radeon HD 7870 and HD 7850 with multiple graphics cards if the pattern holds.

(Just a reminder as to why the GeForce GTX 670 was left out of this article. The GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB ($289) and the Radeon HD 7950 3GB ($299) are much closer in price! The GeForce GTX 670 ($359) will be included in a future Frame Rating article.)

Final Thoughts

There isn't much left to say here but to reiterate what I have written on the last two articles: AMD presently has the better hardware (just in terms of raw performance) when looking at single GPU options. (Though that is debatable with the inclusion of the GeForce GTX Titan at the high end.) But gamers that are or are thinking of using multiple-GPUs will without a doubt find the issues discussed here with Radeon GPUs in CrossFire mode troublesome.

AMD is aware of the issues, and has been since before the release of our first full article on Frame Rating, and is trying to figure out the answer for gamers. The current line of thinking is that they will release a driver some time in the summer that will give the user the option of enabling frame metering or not, rather than forcing it on as NVIDIA is doing today. Whether or not that will work out as well for AMD as currently does for NVIDIA will have to be seen.
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Finally ! biggrin.gif thank you
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Finally ! biggrin.gif thank you
cheers..
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Thing is.... It's ok having the raw performance, but if the cost is shoddy frame renders then that's why the FPS numbers are higher. NVidia's cards seem to be stable across the board and AMD's the opposite. So, as was suggested some months ago, it appears AMD is fudging the frametimes to achieve higher FPS.
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not sure if we still should be posting here or not... redface.gif
there is three threads with two basically in the same area of conversation..

for sometime now it seems Radeon was all about raw performance well now it seems to be coming back on them
for that philosophy..
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not sure if we still should be posting here or not... redface.gif
there is three threads with two basically in the same area of conversation..

for sometime now it seems Radeon was all about raw performance well now it seems to be coming back on them
for that philosophy..

you sure know how to stir things up, mal. i've asked this question before but did not get any answer . . .

has this been fixed?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1293444/does-every-sli-rig-microstutter

edit: something else i want to bring up is . . . if i were to use nvidia (the 670), what driver should i use for bf3? what driver is it for c3 or fc3?
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