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Not sure of your whole situation, but their percentages are all based on just the increased performances between subsequent WHQL drivers. So if you're on the beta driver right before the next WHQL driver, you're basically already up to date.

Nah I only bother with the WHQL drivers.. in fact I only ever know about a driver update when there's a post on OCN biggrin.gif
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Nah I only bother with the WHQL drivers.. in fact I only ever know about a driver update when there's a post on OCN biggrin.gif
Really? wow you're missing out on the frequent driver updates! Do you have tomb raider? Basically needed the beta driver to fix it up correctly!
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Really? wow you're missing out on the frequent driver updates! Do you have tomb raider? Basically needed the beta driver to fix it up correctly!

Nah I didn't bother with it. CD screwed NVidia users big time so I'll wait for it to be on sale massively before I buy it.

Even in Crysis 3 I get really acceptable framerates with the highest settings so I'm good biggrin.gif
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no you're not, no oc on the card + no up to date driver (beta to improve game) = 20 fps...lol.biggrin.gif

he doesn't OC his 670?!?!

I just have my crappy i5 2550k (i say crappy bc I got a dud frown.gif ) and my 670 FTW. I play around 1280mhz and 6800mhz memory, I juggle around 50fps 80% of the time with everything Maxed, 1080p, FXAA. One day, I'll have a second 670 wubsmiley.gif
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he doesn't OC his 670?!?!

I just have my crappy i5 2550k (i say crappy bc I got a dud frown.gif ) and my 670 FTW. I play around 1280mhz and 6800mhz memory, I juggle around 50fps 80% of the time with everything Maxed, 1080p, FXAA. One day, I'll have a second 670 wubsmiley.gif

My card's not that stable at much more than the factory clocks I'm afraid frown.gif So I don't bother at all. There's no performance gain to be had, but more heat frown.gif

But as I said, it performs nicely enough for me anyway biggrin.gif I'll grab another, maybe, when the cost comes down or simply get a next generation card in good time!
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One computer these drivers would only cause a BSOD.
Nothing fixed it, not even Driver Sweeper.

2nd computer it installed but would not output any sound through the DVI / HDMI.
Re-installed last drivers and it fixed it.

I highly recommend not updating unless you see a very specific gain for you listed.


Wrong thread.


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ONCE MORE AGAIN....
Review is up.
Frame Rating: GTX 660 vs HD 7870, plus HD 7790, HD 7850, GTX 650 Ti BOOST

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Final Thoughts

Don't get the wrong impression, this is in no way the end of our Frame Rating stories and I am only finalizing our first complete set of data today. The steps to get here have been difficult but now you have essentially all of the data and numbers that I have been building over the last year, with a lot of troubleshooting and analysis along the way.

I think the takeaway from the current state of Frame Rating is that while AMD's single GPU graphics cards offer fantastic performance per dollar, there is a fundamental problem with the CrossFire and CrossFire + Eyefinity technology that needs to be addressed by AMD. Even though there is still much research to be done on the subject of the full effect of the results and the discrepancies we are seeing in our CrossFire results, the fact is that something is fundamentally different between CrossFire and SLI, and in my hands on time with graphics cards over many years and over the last 18 months with this capture capability, NVIDIA is doing multi-GPU better.

AMD has promised to fix this, and we are going to hold them to it. We differ on how dramatic an impact runt frames and dropped frames have on the user experience, but they are not denying that there is an issue many gamers are seeing. That's the good news. The bad news is that it may take until well into the summer to see something from AMD that will start to address the concerns we have. But better late than never and we'll continue to push forward.

Our next step is to look at the many user-submitted solutions for this AMD issue including the full effects of enabling Vsync, applications like RadeonPro and how we can measure changes in input latency because of frame meter.

It's going to be a busy summer...
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we need to combine these [PC Per] Frame threads..
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Edit: Of course, not in this sample you picked. Maxed out FC3 at 3x1080p is just too freaking overkill.

I think this was exactly what was expected with PCPer's extensive frame rating experiences now biggrin.gif I'd also argue that when buying a thousand dollar graphics card, "too freaking overkill" mightn't be relative.
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Now that I've played a little while with my Titan, I'm starting to see a trend compared to my old 7970CF system. The trend is that of lower framerates but smoother experience.

The most shocking difference is in 3DMark11. With 7970CF it was a complete mess with disgusting amounts of stuttering and tearing, as I reported way before any of this PCPer stuff about it. My new system (at stock) only scores about P12200 vs. the over P17000 of my previous system (7970CF OC+i7-3820 OC), but it runs flawlessly and smooth as butter. As a benchmark, score is all that counts, but were it a game there is no question on which system I'd prefer. 7970CF would be an instant rejection.

Another benchmark showing the exact same thing is Metro 2033 benchmark. Again, 7970CF showed way better framerates, but stuttered like crazy. I'm not talking microstutter, I'm talking full on gaps. Again, I reported this way before PCPer started talking about frame rating. With Titan, I can even put PhysX on and despite the way lower framerate it is in a different league than 7970CF ever was judging with your eyes.

Third example that I've already come across is SWTOR with 4x supersampling, which I've played a lot with both systems, more so on 7970CF and I did my best to make it smooth with vsync settings and RadeonPro. No matter what, it was always jerky. Enter Titan and all of that is gone: smooth as silk.

So after just a few days of testing with Titan, I've gotten a clear confirmation that to me and my preferences, one Titan is clearly superior to 7970CF. It doesn't score big on benchmarks, but it plays better with games. You can call confirmation bias all you want, but the difference is clear as day to me. I've done blind testing a lot in audio and have come to realise that subjectively observed differencies tend to vanish in blind testing, but I'm positive I could nail this one with zero effort.
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