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I love smooth gaming, beyond that fps numbers mean squat to me. I admit I, too, used to like fps numbers when I got my 7970CF. It's just that Titan is better although it has lower fps... Hmmm. What could cause something like that? Oh yes, that's what this thread is all about. biggrin.gif

And yes, I mention tearing in 3DMark11. That is the one case I didn't spend time tweaking. What would be the point of trying to get rid of tearing and stuttering in a benchmark? It just shows that there is way, way more to a good graphics experience than frame rates.

Looking at your findings in here
http://www.overclock.net/t/1337569/fraps-frametime-similar-to-techreports-methods-viewer-application-released/20#post_18823397

The thing you want to avoid are the high random spikes...
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Same settings as yours

Edited by zGunBLADEz - 4/7/13 at 1:40pm
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Looking at your findings in here
http://www.overclock.net/t/1337569/fraps-frametime-similar-to-techreports-methods-viewer-application-released/20#post_18823397

The thing you want to avoid are the high random spikes...
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)




Same settings as yours

I say he's a noob tongue.gif

I'm glad he has the titan now...at least, no tweaking nightmare for him.thumb.gif
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Looking at your findings in here
http://www.overclock.net/t/1337569/fraps-frametime-similar-to-techreports-methods-viewer-application-released/20#post_18823397

The thing you want to avoid are the high random spikes...
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Same settings as yours

Obvious vsync is obvious.

What in the world is the point of posting vsync graphs when we already know how they're going to be and the graphs you're comparing to aren't made using vsync. They're not even on the same driverset.

Why would vsync be relevant in a thread that is about results without vsync.
 
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Obvious vsync is obvious.

What in the world is the point of posting vsync graphs when we already know how they're going to be and the graphs you're comparing to aren't made using vsync. They're not even on the same driverset.

Why would vsync be relevant in a thread that is about results without vsync.

Why would care about results without vsync if it solves the issue?
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Obvious vsync is obvious.

What in the world is the point of posting vsync graphs when we already know how they're going to be and the graphs you're comparing to aren't made using vsync. They're not even on the same driverset.

Why would vsync be relevant in a thread that is about results without vsync.

Some of his shots were vsynced or framecaped...

Anyway...
Simply i dont understand the point of all this... You guys talk about real game smooth performance that benchs are worthless and yada yada yada..

Whats the point? you may ask? Resolving the issue? Screen Tearing?
Oh but the input lag.....?? DFC plus vsync on will take care off that..

I never run games without vsync it just kills the purpose of maxing everything out for image quality just to kill it with tearing sorry but NO....

Or do you think i use CFX to see higher numbers than 60 frames per sec?
GPU game benchmarks in my point of view after 60 in the res i am aiming for, are utterly worthless, yeah they look good on benchmarks but thats all...


So if you guys are aiming for a smooth gameplay with the best image quality that will be apples to apples a game vsynced without screen tearing and the smooth gameplay with the right performance at hand...
Period..


Let me put it this way not that so different that doing a suicide run on 6ghz XD...
Edited by zGunBLADEz - 4/7/13 at 3:11pm
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Why would care about results without vsync if it solves the issue?

Because vsync introduces other problems. It adds a bunch of latency for example.

And when you're not getting fps that's over your refresh rate the gameplay will seem considerably less smooth than what the card is really capable of.

Basically let's say you have a 60hz monitor and your GPU is capable of a stable 40fps (stable for convenience's sake). In this case your monitor will basically poll the video card 60 times each second. Vsync forces the frame buffer to only update after a whole frame has been drawn. At 40 frames per second you can only draw 66% of a frame for every time the monitor polls the frame buffer for a new frame. This in turn means that some frames will be pulled from the buffer more than once because the next frame is not completely ready yet. And that means the GPU power will go to waste since it just doesn't render frames when a full frame is waiting in the buffer ready to be polled by the monitor and shown on the screen.

And that's double buffering for you. The card can at the same time render and image to a back buffer and have a ready image waiting in the front buffer, it still causes problems though as I pointed out, input lag and fps loss. With the age old vsync the problem is much more clear as you do not have the back buffer.

Triple buffering adds another back buffer somewhat solving the issue with the lost time and bringing the full performance to the card. However it will still be a problem in situations where you have fps that's less than half of your screen's refresh rate (problem for 120hz users especially!). This method will also add the latency that especially some first person shooter gamers loathe.

Non vsynced game on the other hand will just keep rendering frames to the front buffer and the monitor will poll the buffer at static intervals drawing whatever is in the buffer, resulting in non complete frames ---> tearing. However you get rid of most of the input lag. And your card will always get the fps it's capable of.
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^^ and you are missing the point that input lag can be dramatically be reduced as well..
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DFC doesn't do anything to help the inherent problem with vsync/double/triple. The latency is still there and you can't do anything about it. If DFC helps then the issue wasn't vsync itself.

And as I said you can get performance hits when going below your refresh rate with the fps.

So sure if you don't mind the input lag and can always hold 60fps/120fps (30/60 assuming you can force triple buffering in everything) then go for the sync. Lots and lots of gamers prefer to have some tearing and as little input lag as possible though, these results are for them, but why are we even testing normal fps without vsync then if it's useless and no one should use it?

Wouldn't a vsynced fps result also be better then?
 
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DFC doesn't do anything to help the inherent problem with vsync/double/triple. The latency is still there and you can't do anything about it. If DFC helps then the issue wasn't vsync itself.

And as I said you can get performance hits when going below your refresh rate with the fps.

So sure if you don't mind the input lag and can always hold 60fps/120fps (30/60 assuming you can force triple buffering in everything) then go for the sync. Lots and lots of gamers prefer to have some tearing and as little input lag as possible though, these results are for them, but why are we even testing normal fps without vsync then if it's useless and no one should use it?

Wouldn't a vsynced fps result also be better then?

Like you said thats why TB is for....
if you cannot force it then you can still cap the game frames without vsync if you are upto the tearing ......

So whats your point?

Me im against it, so DFC @ 59 with vsync on will make my games smoother getting better performance with lil input lag..

Input lag is not related 100% to gpu by the way... There are so many factors that will induce horrible input lag..
Edited by zGunBLADEz - 4/7/13 at 3:49pm
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The point is that there are a bunch of negatives to running vsync. And if you wish to have it running optimally you have to run all sorts of crappy 3rd party programs, make different settings for different games, test if they work as you want them to etc.

And meanwhile with NV you can also get smooth gameplay without going through all that.

If you want to use 3rd party software, force different sorts of vsync and get input lag then go ahead, I just don't understand what that has anything to do with the subject at hand. Or what that has to do with any benches at all, rarely do I see a bench with vsync on.
 
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