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Not that I care much, but I've read FRAPS is not really good in frame rating and whatevs.. They like prefer what ever crap they are using.. Soooo.. how come both the FRAPS FPS and the observed FPS show exactly the same for the Nvidia setups in all games? And whatever they are using is mostly anti-AMD? I know I'm not making any sense, but I haven't had my coffee yet.. redface.gif

In short, what is wrong with FRAPS again..?

There's nothing wrong with fraps when it comes to normal fps measurements. The problem is that when measuring individual frame times the point in the pipeline at which the frame is measured becomes an issue. With fraps since it's measured so early that it can't tell you if what fraps measured actually ends up on the screen.
 
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Not that I care much, but I've read FRAPS is not really good in frame rating and whatevs.. They like prefer what ever crap they are using.. Soooo.. how come both the FRAPS FPS and the observed FPS show exactly the same for the Nvidia setups in all games? And whatever they are using is mostly anti-AMD? I know I'm not making any sense, but I haven't had my coffee yet.. redface.gif

In short, what is wrong with FRAPS again..?

All of the articles state: FRAPS registers Present() calls at the start of the pipeline, not what's output where this capture is made smile.gif
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Not that I care much, but I've read FRAPS is not really good in frame rating and whatevs.. They like prefer what ever crap they are using.. Soooo.. how come both the FRAPS FPS and the observed FPS show exactly the same for the Nvidia setups in all games? And whatever they are using is mostly anti-AMD? I know I'm not making any sense, but I haven't had my coffee yet.. redface.gif

In short, what is wrong with FRAPS again..?
the problem with fraps is that it can miss problems in the driver/hardware stack that result in stutter and dropped frames. If the fraps graph is jittery there is definitely a problem, but if the fraps graph is flat, and is showing high framerates, that doesn't automatically mean everything is OK.

If the fraps graph and the capture graph are both showing high framerates and consistent frametimes, the animation will be smooth, but if the game engine is varying it's simulation interval, you can still see problems where the animation slows down then speeds up.
Edited by TranquilTempest - 3/30/13 at 10:32am
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Not that I care much, but I've read FRAPS is not really good in frame rating and whatevs.. They like prefer what ever crap they are using.. Soooo.. how come both the FRAPS FPS and the observed FPS show exactly the same for the Nvidia setups in all games? And whatever they are using is mostly anti-AMD? I know I'm not making any sense, but I haven't had my coffee yet.. redface.gif

In short, what is wrong with FRAPS again..?

Fraps also shows stuttering and made the problem apparent. The problem with fraps however is that it only shows how many frames are going into the frame rendering buffer. This program is supposed to show how long it takes until the frame is being sent to the output.

To put it simple. Fraps shows what goes into the GPU, this is supposedly showing what is coming out of the GPU. Fraps can't show latency, this one can.

E:

Well kzone, you didn't care much but you still got 4 answers in ~2mins thumb.gif
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Fraps also shows stuttering and made the problem apparent. The problem with fraps however is that it only shows how many frames are going into the frame rendering buffer. This program is supposed to show how long it takes until the frame is being sent to the output.

To put it simple. Fraps shows what goes into the GPU, this is supposedly showing what is coming out of the GPU. Fraps can't show latency, this one can.

E:

Well kzone, you didn't care much but you still got 4 answers in ~2mins thumb.gif
To be fair, they aren't measuring latency yet, it's measuring frame interval. Latency would be the time between input and the resulting output, not between two outputs.
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After seeing this graph:



I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Seriously though, it's a pretty good show for the Titan.

Is that Earthquake Magnitude 9.0?
 
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Thanks guys. Can't rep+ Alatar so I'll have to PM you a cookie. Or a poodle. tongue.gif

To be honest, I haven't been reading up on this at all. I'm perfectly happy with my 7970 so far. Quite the boost over the 6950, methinks.
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Is SFR still available with SLI or CFX? I'm sure that would fix any stuttering issues.
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I'm actually looking forward to the HD7950 vs. 660 Ti article tomorrow. That seems to be the most heated debate on these forums, and it will finally be put to rest tomorrow. biggrin.gif
article when and where.?
thanks.
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I'm actually looking forward to the HD7950 vs. 660 Ti article tomorrow. That seems to be the most heated debate on these forums, and it will finally be put to rest tomorrow. biggrin.gif


It won't if the 660ti is given the nod.
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