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hmm

SST-TJ08B-E is about the same size as A05-FNB(matx) or PC-V700

http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=578&cl_index=1&sc_index=25&ss_index=62

http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=611&cl_index=1&sc_index=25&ss_index=62&g=spec

might as well take those.

honestly if you are an audiophile, i think you might not want to water cool your case because it will affect your music experience. A lot people don't know that air passing through radiator in tight spaces create some kind of whining noise.

I am not sure will it affect the performance of your sound car at the same time but highly doubt so.
Oh, you paid attention to my user title. I'm not really an audiophile—I chose that kind of randomly. I do like sound quality and sometimes pay a lot to get it, but for a gaming PC, I prefer silence, and performance through overclocking potential. Even if I didn't personally need watercooling, as both a PC enthusiast and someone who works in I.T., I'm taking the opportunity to get familiar with it.
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They are mid tower cases not full tower

What about the HAF XB its not a small case but it does take up less hight then normal cases

Oh, sorry. I guess I got the sizes wrong by one level. What I'm looking for is more of a mini-tower then. Thanks for your suggestions, but like I said, the case has to be as compact as possible given my requirements, so the Silverstone suggestions above are better matches at the moment. The HAF XB looks clunky and not at all what I'm looking for—I'm more concerned with the full dimensions than just the height.
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i'm from IT too wink.gif and pc enthusiast...

looking at your requirement, I think you prefer compact and quiet more than water cooling.

I started out like you, that is why I got a HAF-X thinking I will water cool but I was wrong.. is just too big and also realize water cooling is quite troublesome..

now I go for compact neatness and quiet.

mATX is certainly the way to go, i urge you to consider SG09/10 or FT03.

forget about custom water cooling especially you stay outside of USA because is expensive and there is a lot of maintenance involve.

as a software engineer, i avoid overclocking my CPU beyond the recommended spec because it might affect some of my atomic calculation, but that is your call.

From a software engineer to another (assuming you are)

pick a case that can fit noctua D14 at least but small and compact. You never know when you need to move to another country or state.

Come to think of it, none of my developer peers like water-cooling, we prefer compact, efficiency and effectiveness. partly because we are neat people whom practice OO and design patterns.. the tubes and constant maintenance for water cooling component kind of go against our principle of maintainability and robustness.
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Thanks for the quick replies, guys.
The only reason I want mATX is in case I want to add a sound card. I could give that up for a miniATX, but only if the case is smaller as well—the BitFenix Prodigy looks like a mid-size case.

Well if you need a sound card you could always go for a USB soundcard. Then you could go for mITX form factor and get an even smaller case if you wanted tongue.gif
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i'm from IT too wink.gif and pc enthusiast...

looking at your requirement, I think you prefer compact and quiet more than water cooling.

I started out like you, that is why I got a HAF-X thinking I will water cool but I was wrong.. is just too big and also realize water cooling is quite troublesome..

now I go for compact neatness and quiet.

mATX is certainly the way to go, i urge you to consider SG09/10 or FT03.

forget about custom water cooling especially you stay outside of USA because is expensive and there is a lot of maintenance involve.

as a software engineer, i avoid overclocking my CPU beyond the recommended spec because it might affect some of my atomic calculation, but that is your call.

From a software engineer to another (assuming you are)

pick a case that can fit noctua D14 at least but small and compact. You never know when you need to move to another country or state.

Come to think of it, none of my developer peers like water-cooling, we prefer compact, efficiency and effectiveness. partly because we are neat people whom practice OO and design patterns.. the tubes and constant maintenance for water cooling component kind of go against our principle of maintainability and robustness.

Cleaning your water system 1 time a year is constant maintenance? tongue.gif

I actually let my first loop go for about 2 years before cleaning the blocks, simply drained the old water and put new water in once a year.
Edited by Shrak - 3/30/13 at 12:27pm
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i'm from IT too wink.gif and pc enthusiast...

looking at your requirement, I think you prefer compact and quiet more than water cooling.

I started out like you, that is why I got a HAF-X thinking I will water cool but I was wrong.. is just too big and also realize water cooling is quite troublesome..

now I go for compact neatness and quiet.

mATX is certainly the way to go, i urge you to consider SG09/10 or FT03.

forget about custom water cooling especially you stay outside of USA because is expensive and there is a lot of maintenance involve.

as a software engineer, i avoid overclocking my CPU beyond the recommended spec because it might affect some of my atomic calculation, but that is your call.

From a software engineer to another (assuming you are)

pick a case that can fit noctua D14 at least but small and compact. You never know when you need to move to another country or state.

Come to think of it, none of my developer peers like water-cooling, we prefer compact, efficiency and effectiveness. partly because we are neat people whom practice OO and design patterns.. the tubes and constant maintenance for water cooling component kind of go against our principle of maintainability and robustness.
I'm more of a network admin. I only have very basic dev skills and I don't even know what atomic calculation is, so I don't exactly have the same... principles. tongue.gif

Regardless, this rig will be used strictly for gaming and driving a guitar through it—I won't be doing actual work with it. Even if I don't "need" watercooling, the experience gained from trying it is worth my time and money, though I don't know why you think watercooling is less viable outside the USA—there are plenty of retailers dedicated to it around here and you can get it for relatively cheap. So yeah, thanks for the advice, but I'd rather try it for myself before forming an opinion.
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Well if you need a sound card you could always go for a USB soundcard. Then you could go for mITX form factor and get an even smaller case if you wanted tongue.gif
The thing is, I already have an X-Fi PCI sound card and wouldn't want it to go to waste. And who knows if/when I'll want to SLI. Also, when it comes to USB sound cards, I'm a bit worried about latency.


Anyway, what about the Fracal Design Define Mini? Any good for WC?
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I'm more of a network admin. I only have very basic dev skills and I don't even know what atomic calculation is, so I don't exactly have the same... principles. tongue.gif

Regardless, this rig will be used strictly for gaming and driving a guitar through it—I won't be doing actual work with it. Even if I don't "need" watercooling, the experience gained from trying it is worth my time and money, though I don't know why you think watercooling is less viable outside the USA—there are plenty of retailers dedicated to it around here and you can get it for relatively cheap. So yeah, thanks for the advice, but I'd rather try it for myself before forming an opinion.
The thing is, I already have an X-Fi PCI sound card and wouldn't want it to go to waste. And who knows if/when I'll want to SLI. Also, when it comes to USB sound cards, I'm a bit worried about latency.


Anyway, what about the Fracal Design Define Mini? Any good for WC?

The define mini is OK to WC in, if your planning only having the CPU on the loop, if you're planning on doing the GPU too, then get the silverstone.
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