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post #11 of 22
From what I've been able to find none of the /CLC are better than best air... Most are not as good. Swiftech H220 included.

The H220 is better than the other CLC because it has a much better quality pump, better quality radiator and it's not a true CLC. You can open it and expand it with more waterblocks and/or radiators.
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80c max is pretty good depend of where you live

my 3570k sometimes reach that at 4.5....

but my ambient temp is 34c
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Originally Posted by GTR Mclaren View Post

80c max is pretty good depend of where you live

my 3570k sometimes reach that at 4.5....

but my ambient temp is 34c
but the thing is my ambient is 20c or around there, and those were wintertime temperatures.
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I would disagree with the statement that the H220 isn't better than high end air... The performance rresults I've seenare ttypically closer to custom loop than they are high end air. Add in the fact that you can add more radiator surface, and it's the best of the middle-road solutions.
   
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I would disagree with the statement that the H220 isn't better than high end air... The performance rresults I've seenare ttypically closer to custom loop than they are high end air. Add in the fact that you can add more radiator surface, and it's the best of the middle-road solutions.

Look at the forest and not the tree in my statement. The point is not if the H220 has better cooling stock than top air coolers. It's that H220 is built to last with a pump that can move plenty of coolant and has the ability to be opened up and expanded.

Xbit review inside open Antec 1200 case shows at extreme overclocking H220 is slightly better than Phanteks with stock fans at same rpm.. but only 1-2c.. well with in margin of air.. especially when testing was done in a case so Phanteks was at a disadvantage because air cooler is handicapped by case trapping air while water cooler mounts radiator in case housing and separates cool intake air from hot exhaust air. frown.gif Would be real interesting to see what the air temp was 5cm in front of intake fans. wink.gif

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H220 cooling is 70c @ 1750rpm; 73c @ 1000rpm; 71c @ 1200rpm; so about 72c @ 1100rpm
TC14PE cool is 74c @ 1100rpm; 2c different at same fan speed intake & exhaust in case with only side open

So not quite as cool but reasonably close to same performance. wink.gif

Source of data
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/swiftech-h220_5.html#sect1
Edited by doyll - 4/2/13 at 2:13pm
post #16 of 22
I had my 3770K at 4.8 stable on my Hyper 212 with one fan ... was afraid to buy the custom water loop due to not putting the time to research (or over research in my case) for it (at the time) and got a H80i and H100i to play with in the mean time to see how much better it got ... yes the AIO water units did ok - set them to max and the 100 seems better than the 80 but that's putting them on "the same" each time I swapped ... so who knows.

temps are safe to play with in the 5.0 range with the 80 and 100 cooler, but the 212 evo was hitting 95 on the intel burn test, so I knew I was limited to 4.8 ...

So, I'm basically a believer in either go 212 at 30$ or go custom water (like the Raystorm I think it is) ... all the in between is just that to small of a performance gain for the $

Everyone has their preference and from my limited experience ... its hard to not push the Hyper 212 and the silicon lottery on your chip to see where that takes you ... if you are getting towards a max voltage before a temp wall ... then it almost does not matter ... but if your voltage has plenty of room for the next jump to a stable OC with another multiplier but your temps are too high ... you need to ask yourself ... is the OC now good enough, or do I really think going up another 100 or 200 MHz is worth it because I really see the difference in performance ... because if you were going to max it no matter what ... you are probably not reading the air cooling forum ...

The above assumes that you want a working computer, more of a novice and while bragging rights on what you did with your set up is "cool" (little humor), I am starting to believe cooling is the last game of the night - go with the good safe hand or go all in!
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for some insight here.

I have a 3570k on a Hyper 212 with Arctic Silver paste. It does 4.5 GHz with 1.2V, but when running this, my temperatures reach around 80C.

If I got a better cooler, say a Kraken X60, would that drop the temperatures down a fair amount compared to the 212, or are the temps going to be around the same, because this chip isn't delidded? I'm looking to see what this chip can do, like a 5 GHz run or something, but sadly winter is gone and no more -30C temperatures to test it in. frown.gif

For reference, my 3570k does 4.5ghz @ around 1.15 and temps never go above 65c with my silver arrow.

5.0ghz @ 1.35v and it hit 100c.
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For reference, my 3570k does 4.5ghz @ around 1.15 and temps never go above 65c with my silver arrow.

5.0ghz @ 1.35v and it hit 100c.
Your chip isn't delidded though, correct?
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Your chip isn't delidded though, correct?

Correct.
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Look at the forest and not the tree in my statement. The point is not if the H220 has better cooling stock than top air coolers. It's that H220 is built to last with a pump that can move plenty of coolant and has the ability to be opened up and expanded.

Xbit review inside open Antec 1200 case shows at extreme overclocking H220 is slightly better than Phanteks with stock fans at same rpm.. but only 1-2c.. well with in margin of air.. especially when testing was done in a case so Phanteks was at a disadvantage because air cooler is handicapped by case trapping air while water cooler mounts radiator in case housing and separates cool intake air from hot exhaust air. frown.gif Would be real interesting to see what the air temp was 5cm in front of intake fans. wink.gif

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H220 cooling is 65c @ 1750rpm; 69c @ 1000rpm; 67c @ 1200rpm; so about 68c @ 1100rpm
TC14PE cool is 69c @ 1100rpm; 1c different at same fan speed intake & exhaust air seperated by case


i7 3790x @ 4.5GHz, 1.435v
H220 cooling is 70c @ 1750rpm; 73c @ 1000rpm; 71c @ 1200rpm; so about 72c @ 1100rpm
TC14PE cool is 74c @ 1100rpm; 2c different at same fan speed intake & exhaust in case with only side open

So not quite as cool but reasonably close to same performance. wink.gif

I hear ya. Yeah, the ability to quickly and easily add, well, ANYTHING else to the H220 loop makes it probably the best "out of the box" cooler, especially considering the cost. I have a deep-seated dislike for the CLC's, and always found them to be not much more than an (overpriced) way for people who don't know how to build a real loop to "one up" their friends (i.e. you pay a lot just to say you have water cooling, even though IMO it's no more water cooling than keep a glass of ice water on your desk is, but at least with the latter you actually had to fill the liquid yourself tongue.gif). It's not a fair bias, I realize that, and while I don't see anyone here in that light, I suppose the things were just ruined for me by real-world experiences with people I happen to (unfortunately) know... So please don't take offense at my opinion, anyone, as it's not aimed at those here.

The H220 breaks all those conventions, however, and that is partly why I have a lot of respect for Swiftech, and their bringing it to market.

I WOULD be really interested to see how it performs once you add a second radiator to the system, relative to a custom loop consisting of the same amount of rad-space.
   
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