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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm View Post

Well, you know...if they don't want it...I have room in my basement.

It would make for a lovely test environment.

#1 in 2009 would probably still make the top 20 today I'd think...I'd have to bring up the list, but a petaflop per second is hardly obsolete.
It'd be amazing if people read the source first.
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It'd be amazing if people read the source first.

twice as amazing if people stuck to the topic.


Since PS3's were not terrible for Folding, I wonder what these beefed up Cell Processor could accomplish
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post #33 of 54
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Well, you know...if they don't want it...I have room in my basement.

It would make for a lovely test environment.

#1 in 2009 would probably still make the top 20 today I'd think...I'd have to bring up the list, but a petaflop per second is hardly obsolete.

could read the source

While the computer is still one of the 22 fastest in the world, it isn't energy-efficient enough to make the power bill worth it.

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twice as amazing if people stuck to the topic.


Since PS3's were not terrible for Folding, I wonder what these beefed up Cell Processor could accomplish

you could say that was also of topic
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It'd be amazing if people read the source first.

I was on my phone at the time and I couldn't open the source...sheesh...not a big deal. I didn't realize such an important discussion was going to ensue...and surprise none did.

and it isn't like the thing would even fit in my basement...and no I haven't opened the source yet, but I am assuming it needs at least 4000 square feet...perhaps as much as 8000. I guess you even need to use the sarcasm tag even when talking about setting up a super computer that probably uses about $1 million worth of electricity a year in a residential basement.

Now that I have read the source...I wish they had said what will happen to the components. These types of systems are usually fairly modular and they could chop it up into pieces. It would be cool to see them donated to some technical universities or something provided they could afford to even run the pieces for more than a week or so a year. The power draw on this thing is rather stunning. My guess is when they built it they were aiming to break the peteflop barrier and didn't factor in any power usage as a factor...kind of a whatever it takes attitude.
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It cost 150 million to build and has a 1-2 million dollar per year power bill. I don't see the power use as being a huge issue as long as it's still one of the fastest supercomputers in the world.
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It cost 150 million to build and has a 1-2 million dollar per year power bill. I don't see the power use as being a huge issue as long as it's still one of the fastest supercomputers in the world.

1) Regardless of initial cost, continued annual funding is a issue.... I'm guessing it cost something like $3M for power and another $1M+ for support.
2) It cost $150M in 2009. It's value has greatly depreciated anyways.
3) It uses a odd AMD CPU + IBM Cell design. You will find very very few developers for that architecture. There are probably less than 100 people who understand the work, understand the architecture, and can develop code for it.
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1) Regardless of initial cost, continued annual funding is a issue.... I'm guessing it cost something like $3M for power and another $1M+ for support.
2) It cost $150M in 2009. It's value has greatly depreciated anyways.
3) It uses a odd AMD CPU + IBM Cell design. You will find very very few developers for that architecture. There are probably less than 100 people who understand the work, understand the architecture, and can develop code for it.

this but i would say less than 100
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It cost 150 million to build and has a 1-2 million dollar per year power bill. I don't see the power use as being a huge issue as long as it's still one of the fastest supercomputers in the world.

It is starting to work like that though...entire data centers dropping millions to swap out their HDD for SSDs just to save on power and cooling. "Super" computers being made out of ARM and Atom cpus...which aren't all that super, but if you are throwing noting but parallel calculations at them they will probably do a pretty good job. We are seeing this in the consumer market too...power consumption on CPUs and GPUs is becoming an important factor. It wasn't too long ago that no one cared in the slightest about it. Now it has taken a lot of the spot light away from performance. I wouldn't be surprised to see it be the number one buying factor in the near future.
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It is starting to work like that though...entire data centers dropping millions to swap out their HDD for SSDs just to save on power and cooling. "Super" computers being made out of ARM and Atom cpus...which aren't all that super, but if you are throwing noting but parallel calculations at them they will probably do a pretty good job. We are seeing this in the consumer market too...power consumption on CPUs and GPUs is becoming an important factor. It wasn't too long ago that no one cared in the slightest about it. Now it has taken a lot of the spot light away from performance. I wouldn't be surprised to see it be the number one buying factor in the near future.

ARM and Atom wimpy cores are only good for very specific cases. They will not be beating out brawny cores any time in the near future.
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could read the source

While the computer is still one of the 22 fastest in the world, it isn't energy-efficient enough to make the power bill worth it.
you could say that was also of topic

90% of my time on OCN is at work, and a large % of source links are blocked at work as well.

I'm usually able to find a secondary source that is open, but it is what it is. No need to point out the obvious stuff, rather then telling someone to read the source, you could simply put a useful comment together and reiterate why.

Or if you don't feel like it you just don't reply to it.


@Vagrant Storm: thats what I was wondering too, but it will be a while before it is completely taken offline and disassembled. Id like to see what they can pull in Folding or if completely useless today.
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