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So you are saying a 4 core i5 will be faster than a 8 core FX?

And I hope you realize that after some point, CPU's don't matter as you will be GPU-limited if it is a taxing game.
Any game released for the new consoles will be threaded to use 8 cores. There is no way getting around that, as per core performance will be low. All the new engines (Unreal 4, Cryengine 3, Frostbite 2) are optimized (or will be) to use an 8 core.

Is AMD's current 8 core FX processors more powerful than PS4's? Since they have a high clock speed?
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Is AMD's current 8 core FX processors more powerful than PS4's? Since they have a high clock speed?

Piledriver cores compared to jaguar cores which are practically tablet hardware, I'm sure the Piledriver cores will demolish the puny Jaguar cores which are in the PS4
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Awww are you going to be able to come close to Sandy Bridge now? Who wants a cookie?
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i would gladly buy in to an AMD platform if Intel keeps giving us minor increases in performance every year.

so if broadwell is a 10 % increase on haswell and skylake is 10 percent better than broadwell, i might move in to an AMD system.
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i would gladly buy in to an AMD platform if Intel keeps giving us minor increases in performance every year.

so if broadwell is a 10 % increase on haswell and skylake is 10 percent better than broadwell, i might move in to an AMD system.
still won't be better than what you have right now...
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still won't be better than what you have right now...

Indeed...his gaming would see quite a downgrade..
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Originally Posted by Master__Shake View Post

i would gladly buy in to an AMD platform if Intel keeps giving us minor increases in performance every year.

so if broadwell is a 10 % increase on haswell and skylake is 10 percent better than broadwell, i might move in to an AMD system.

I'll move back to AMD when AMD gives me better performance than Intel. Even with only a 10% increase, Intel's are still faster than AMD's.
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Is AMD's current 8 core FX processors more powerful than PS4's? Since they have a high clock speed?

the 4 Piledriver modules in 8 core Vishera is more powerful than the 8 Jaguar cores in PS4 even if they were running at the same clock, the extra clock just make the Vishera way more powerful. Jaguar cores designed for low power usage(tablet/netbook/consoles) couldn't dream of matching IPC of Piledriver modules designed for power desktop/server usage.

It is the same on Intel side, a 1.8 Ghz Atom dual core will get steamrolled by a 1.8Ghz Core i3 dual core.
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Firstly the integrated HD gpus are starting to get pretty beefy, People just won't get out of the stigma "INTEL IGP = CRAP" That being said they aren't a match for AMd's Gcn YET, keyword, YET, ANother few years of intels 40-50% performance leaps in igp and it may be a problem


IF this is a decacore 8550 10 cores 4ghz? i'll personaly fly down and get myself one, Hug it squeeze it kiss it, then overclock it's balls off and go to town on people.

Intel is increasing the amount of die space dedicated to the iGPU, that'll hit a ceiling and those 40-50% increases will stop...
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I wonder how many times you have said this? tongue.gif

I swear I've seen you say this at least 100 different times, in different threads. It always goes something like this.

Your quad Bulldozer chip is as good as the 3570K in gaming. Or, You cannot tell the difference between your BD and IVY chip.

The 8350 is as good or faster than the 3770K in multi-threaded scenarios.

SR will be as fast as Ivy Bridge, or close to. It may even be as fast as Haswell.

You continually state all this and remind us of these facts, despite what half of OCN thinks.

Don't you feel like a broken record sometimes?

P.S. tongue.gif

The bits I do actually say, I say because they are true.

I continually state the FX is about as good as a 3570k when all of its cores are used, rarely matching or beating a 3770k, not that it matches a 3770k.
SR will not be faster than Haswell, or as fast as Haswell...I've said this countless times already, it might match IvB in general when both are overclocked but it'll be behind Haswell in terms of both IPC (Maybe apart from highly threaded scenarios) and in terms of max OC speed. (Haswell looks to be a massive improvement over IB, SR looks to be equal to PD, maybe a bit ahead due to 28nm, maybe a bit behind..due to 28nm. It's down to GF.)

I still believe that SR has a fair chance of matching IvB, the IPC difference ranges from 0% to 59% or so iirc, increasing IPC by 30% means that a good portion of the Intel IPC/Single Core Speed advantage is gone. (In regards to IB, Haswell will be more improvements on top of that)
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Consoles running AMD CPU's makes no difference at all when it comes to PC CPU performance, Intel will still be faster then AMD...

You do realize a good 10% performance of AMDs chips is lost because a lot of code is compiled for Intel CPUs? Maybe it won't make any difference, but maybe actually using a more general compilation thing will even it a bit more.
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They'll still flat out suck in low threaded games though....



They'll be slower, they won't "flat out suck". I severely doubt most people here running i5s would notice if someone put an Phenom II or FX in their rig while they weren't looking in terms of gaming performance.
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AMD's Steamroller might be a year early thumb.gif

Aren't people forgetting it was originally meant to launch this year anyway? This is AMD going "Wait a second, we don't need to delay now!"
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Dude...Ivy is more then 30% faster per clock/per core then PD...... And you also have to remember that they both clock the same...

PD also didn't improve as much as expected, 15% was touted around and on average it was less then that.

It's 0-59% better depending on the task from the numbers I remember, 0% being when an FX-8320 matches an i5 3570k (Nearly equal clocks) in highly threaded tasks, 59% being worst case real world scenarios, 30% puts them a hell of a lot closer...Here's hoping 28nm allows them to clock higher because they'll need it for Haswell.
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In GPU dependant games...

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..So easily 90% of all games out there.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/fx-8350-8320-6300-4300_7.html#sect0




looks like 2/3 of that transcoding statement is a fail (and only barely correct on the latter third . . .)

While I can't speak for Premiere, Handbrakes second pass is much longer than the first pass, an FX would likely take less time than an i7 overall.
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^Yeah like we need more ancient game like skyrim with 2-core support and x87 code
And? It's a real game people play, I can understand drawing the line at comparing benchmarks that use out-dated code, but if its a real world scenario..well, you can hardly argue that.
    
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i would gladly buy in to an AMD platform if Intel keeps giving us minor increases in performance every year.

so if broadwell is a 10 % increase on haswell and skylake is 10 percent better than broadwell, i might move in to an AMD system.

Perhaps Intel doing it intentionally? that way people are going out to buy newer processors which are only a bit faster than the previous gen, this is just speculation perhaps this isn't the case and there are other reasons.

I want AMD processors to atleast come close to Sandybridge performance on the IPC, why are some of our quad cores getting crushed in CPU-dependent games such as Guild Wars 2, I'm running mine with under 40FPS and unstable framerates whilst some one I know with an I7 is strolling around with a super smooth 60FPS -_- this happens in every game, perhaps It's my system but most benchmarks say otherwise, maybe It's time to get a Pile-driver or wait for steamroller.
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