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I really hope steamroller gives AMD the IPC to compete with Intel haswell... Ivybridge is a year old and being competitive with Ivy will not be a win for AMD in my book. Piledriver was a step forward after the original FX was a pretty large step back. Competing would be winning in several benchmarks and not just a benchmark here or there. I look forward to seeing it. I had to switch to Intel about 18 months ago after being with AMD CPUs for 10 years.
 
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To appease 2010rig, here is me contributing to the news of Steamrollers release being on schedule in the same fashion and relevancy as everyone else.

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You know what? I think the people here that are down on amd, are OCD about having top of the line performance, and are actually just mad that they have to buy Intel to get it. I know you all love AMD, somewhere deeeeeeeep down in there biggrin.gif
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You know what? I think the people here that are down on amd, are OCD about having top of the line performance, and are actually just mad that they have to buy Intel to get it. I know you all love AMD, somewhere deeeeeeeep down in there biggrin.gif

I think most of them (always exceptions) love whoever will give them the best performance. We love AMD because they would give it to us at a reasonable price. Now that they are out of the enthusiast area of CPU manufacturing that's really hurt a lot of us. I can't even afford to buy an enthusiast level CPU anymore because AMD simply WILL NOT compete.
 
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I think most of them (always exceptions) love whoever will give them the best performance. We love AMD because they would give it to us at a reasonable price. Now that they are out of the enthusiast area of CPU manufacturing that's really hurt a lot of us. I can't even afford to buy an enthusiast level CPU anymore because AMD simply WILL NOT compete.
You have to understand that that wouldn't be profitable for AMD. You can't blame a company for not doing something that isn't in their best interest considering their economic climate.

They would have to spend more than Intel, to profit less than Intel in the enthusiast segment. All-the-while, the race is for ULV mobile.
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I think most of them (always exceptions) love whoever will give them the best performance. We love AMD because they would give it to us at a reasonable price. Now that they are out of the enthusiast area of CPU manufacturing that's really hurt a lot of us. I can't even afford to buy an enthusiast level CPU anymore because AMD simply WILL NOT compete.

I don't exactly think that's true, until the software catches up again even AMD still does everything people need. The only exceptions are those that want to flaunt around synthetics. That's all and dandy, just isn't really a big deal. A few applications favor Intel, something like RTS or the ungodly unoptimized Skyrim. Outside of professional work and niche markets, games/media run fine on AMD hardware. What's that? Vishera competes with Intel on Crysis 3? Hmm, odd?

Having Intel is about two things, either you want the "best" hardware or you just don't want to upgrade as often. While the first is a bit self indulging, the latter might save you money down the road. Key might, on that term I'd accept the person's views. On the term of "Intel beats AMD", you are just being one of those stat freaks.

I don't consider Intel the only enthusiast level components honestly, they are just the better team. A person who strives to get the best performance out of their games/applications can still do that with AMD. They just can't flaunt synthetics about, at least not the majority of synthetics. They can still do everything an "enthusiast" does, so they aren't exactly "out" of the market. Wouldn't call them out of the market until they stop designing chips that do everything a top end enthusiast needs.

Bluntly, you don't have to have the best hardware to be an enthusiast. Just like hackers aren't all software, it's a misnomer.
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If AMD can match first generation Core i series CPU's in terms of IPC they might have a hit on there hands....

You can get that already. Pickup an X58 board and a 950
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I think most of them (always exceptions) love whoever will give them the best performance. We love AMD because they would give it to us at a reasonable price. Now that they are out of the enthusiast area of CPU manufacturing that's really hurt a lot of us. I can't even afford to buy an enthusiast level CPU anymore because AMD simply WILL NOT compete.

I don't think AMD would sell their high end cpus at the current prices if they had a competitive product with Intel six core cpus. Everyone remembers that AMD charged USD 1000 for their flagship dual core cpus in 2005.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1676

If AMD would be competitive with Intel six core cpus what it would definitely do is force Intel to push out higher core counts (8 core or 10 core or even 12 core) cpus for the enthusiast desktop market. currently since there is no pressure they choose to sell the 8 core Sandybridge cpus only for the Xeon market and the desktop market gets 6 core sandybridge. the trend looks to continue wih ivybridge-e cpus where the server market will get the 10 / 12 core xeons and the desktop market gets 6 core ivybridge-e cpus. half the core count is just pathetic and its because AMD is not competing.

http://techreport.com/news/24591/leaked-slide-outs-ivy-bridge-e-models

"Ivy Bridge-E silicon is rumored to have as many as 12 cores onboard, so products with half that many or less could be rather extremely hobbled."
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Intel fans can't use single threaded apps and games to prove superiority...

AMD fans can't use multi-threaded apps and games to prove superiority...

It's to funny, single threaded apps and games far far out number the amount of multi-threaded apps and games and that's not going to change any time soon.

AMD FX chips require specific scenarios to perform to the fullest, the Intel chips don't.

If you can't load at-least 6 cores of the FX chips then you're in trouble as performance just drops.

Intel chips just simply do not have that problem, no matter what I do with my 2500k it just works and gives amazing performance, I don't have to worrying about keeping all the cores loaded.

Best case for the 8 core FX chips is that it'll perform on par or slightly better then an i5, worst case is that it performs worse then the AMD Phenom 2 x6 chips.

Best case for the i5 is that it'll perform much higher then an 8 core FX chip, worst case it'll perform on par with slightly slower.


And developers will always pick stronger cores over multiple weaker ones, it's just much less work and much cheaper in terms of money and time trying to get 4 cores to work together then it is to get 8 working together.
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I think most of them (always exceptions) love whoever will give them the best performance. We love AMD because they would give it to us at a reasonable price. Now that they are out of the enthusiast area of CPU manufacturing that's really hurt a lot of us. I can't even afford to buy an enthusiast level CPU anymore because AMD simply WILL NOT compete.

I'm just goofin tongue.gif

I think AMD's strategy is good though. Intel is way ahead in the performance area and if AMD tried to catch them with the amount of resources they have, It would result in AMD being run into the ground. They needed to find other ways to compete, and I think their APU's are onto something. Intel might be caught with their pants down, cruising, just shrinkin dies. Like literally, think long term here, where do they go once they can't shrink their dies anymore? If HSA catches on Intel is screwed. Their graphics processors for lack of a better word, suck. What will be awesome to see, though; is if HSA does catch on, what Intel will do with all of it's awesome resources.
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