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Good god, that's fairly cheap for 16 cores. I want four of those on a quad slot mobo. Just for bragging rights biggrin.gif

If you get 4x 6360's they would cost the same as Intel's 10 core 20 thread E7-8870.

I do hope that those 64 threads can beat out Intel's E7-8870. biggrin.gif
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If you get 4x 6360's they would cost the same as Intel's 10 core 20 thread E7-8870.

I do hope that those 64 threads can beat out Intel's E7-8870. biggrin.gif

I wish there was a way of knowing, although I seriously doubt that they'd be beaten by the E7-8870, otherwise, RIP AMD tongue.gif
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I wish there was a way of knowing, although I seriously doubt that they'd be beaten by the E7-8870, otherwise, RIP AMD tongue.gif

I have no doubt they would beat it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5058/amds-opteron-interlagos-6200
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I have bolded and underlined the part where I think you have grossly miscalculated the 8350's numbers and in the process inadvertently showed it in a poorer light than it deserved

I believe you are wrong here .... the reason is 26400 frames encoded at 62.07fps will consume just 425 seconds (26400/62.04=425)
425 seconds ~ 7.05 minutes
You (probably) mistyped it as 823 seconds, which turned out to be nearly 14 minutes

So, doing the math right:
i7@74.16fps first pass 356 seconds or ~6 minutes
8350@62.07fps first pass 425 seconds or ~7.05 minutes

i7@14.55fps seoncd pass ~30.25 minutes
8350@15.16 second pass ~29 minutes

Total:
i7-3770k ~ 36.25 minutes
FX 8350 ~ 36.05 minutes

They are tied !

Of course, now I am not at all familiar with x264 encoding, so I am basing this corrective post based purely on my numerical knowledge


By your own corrected calculation they are NOT tied, the FX 8350 clearly edges out the I7 3770k
So, counter-corrections welcome smile.gif

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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

Don't forget people the biggest drawback at AMD was neither the performance nor the support nor the price.
It was the marketing and the power consumption for most normal people and pc builders


Most desktop enthusiasts care a rats ass about power consumption. Power consumption driven users are mainly on mobile devices.

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In case anyone's interested, I was curious which Intel processor AMD's 8350 matches in single threaded performance.

It turns out the 8350 @ 4.2 ghz is closest to an i5 750 @ 3.2 ghz in single threaded performance (source). Those clock speeds are taking turbo boost into account. The i5 750 was released in Fall 2009, and the 8350 was released in Fall 2012, so that puts AMD about 3 years behind Intel in single-threaded performance. Hopefully steamroller helps narrow that margin.

btw.. this wasn't meant as a knock to amd. Just fun trivia. thumb.gif

I put it differently. Hopefully in the next year you single threaded obsessed dinosaurs will come to ther realization that other than word processors which can have a few multithreaded operations, single threaded apps are obsolete , reflect poor design skills, and are biting the dust in the new age of programming. You only have single threaded apps to desperately vow Intel superiority, so that is what you cling to in your criticisms. I never heard of any FX chip lagging in word processing chores. The rest of the single threaded apps are bloatware that can easily be avoided by making intelligent purchase decisons with your software. I do not need winrar when winzip is much faster and has mutlithreading. Most of the newer popular games are multithreaded except for skyrim,. I am tired of hearing nonsensical whining about obsolete apps and poorly designed wares that make Intel look anything other than a hasbeen , Oh I meant haswell
I should not have to be wasting my time here pointing out Intel fallacies . Thisk thread is suppoed to be about discussing AMD innovation and performance with Steamroller. But it is infested with so many Intel faknboys who really do NOT belong here as they are only here to heap negative PR on AMD cpus. If this thread was properly moderated they would be told to go packing. If we want a full-time debate about cpu wars then someone should start a thread entitled AMD vs Intel or the like. I actually enjoy demolishing the flawed logic of Intel lovers. but I think the vibrancy and intellectual dilligence of exploring the architecture should be the primary focus of this thread , not destroying fanboy mythology.
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

Don't forget people the biggest drawback at AMD was neither the performance nor the support nor the price.
It was the marketing and the power consumption for most normal people and pc builders



 Most desktop enthusiasts care a rats ass about power consumption. Power consumption driven users are mainly on mobile devices.


I mean the OEM's and the system builders and also the normal non computer skilled user which has Intel fanboy propaganda stuffed down their throat.
I don't say I dislike Intel as I own a few systems powered by them but I can't stand how they advertise especially ultrabooks and acting like a i3 or dual core I5 is a good processor which can handle everything rolleyes.gif
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now when would that make a difference? not for encoding short gaming videos to upload to youtube. but as i said before; when working on a several days or weeks long project the i7 would be better.

The performance difference here is well within the margin of error; over the course of a days or weeks either could be a head by a few hours. However, a 120 dollar difference in system price is significant for an encoding box in this class, probably in the ballpark of 20%.

Power consumption is in favor of the 3770k though.
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I don't know what you guys are going on about.

Bulldozer was bad because it couldn't even match PHENOM II. Piledriver is still behind Phenom II in single threaded performance and by the time Intel Core i (Nehalem) came around in 2010, Phenom IIs got annihilated in mid-highend. Core i7-920 was the best bang for buck then at $300ish.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/3937/amds-fall-refresh-new-phenom-ii-and-athlon-ii-cpus-balance-price-and-performance/3


http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1055t-overclocking_8.html#sect0

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-ii-x6-1090t_8.html#sect0

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-ii-x6-1090t_10.html#sect0

AMD has been so obsessed with "MOAR CORES" developing Bulldozer that it lost sight of where PCs are today, with most tasks still in single thread unless you're video encoding.
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Single thread performance of PD is better than Phenom. Big part of it happens because it is higher clocked but performance is one thing and ipc is another. And I don't get the single thread part. If applications and tasks were mostly single threaded there wouldn't be much point to intel quads either.
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Piledriver is still behind Phenom II in single threaded performance
No it's not.
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Single thread performance of PD is better than Phenom. Big part of it happens because it is higher clocked but performance is one thing and ipc is another. And I don't get the single thread part. If applications and tasks were mostly single threaded there wouldn't be much point to intel quads either.

Thanks for fixing that. I meant Bulldozer

Clock for clock though, look at http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/186?vs=698

Singlethread Cinebench it is barely better , same with Starcraft II. However, you can overclock it far higher
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