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An X8 Thuban would had scored 7.41 in cine bench and would have given 3770K owner fits in multithreaded apps. At 4ghz it would have scored 9.34
Edited by Stay Puft - 4/3/13 at 6:10pm
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AMD should have never of abandoned Deneb in the first place, it still had some tweaks left in it.
yes new tech is the move but Bulldozer was a downgrade.

Steamroller is the right direction for them IMO. Remember, AMD's goals are HSA oriented, and Deneb wasn't going to get them there.

good point though one more tweak expensive would have been nice.
I couldn't get my 980BE past 4.3GHz.. mad.gif
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An X8 Thuban would had scored 7.41 in cine bench and would have given 3770K owner fits in multithreaded apps. At 4ghz it would have scored 9.34
But the tdp wouldve been insanely high with that....they have to compromise, maybe they should've just kept working on that architecture to fix it.
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But the tdp wouldve been insanely high with that....they have to compromise, maybe they should've just kept working on that architecture to fix it.

At 32nm it wouldn't have been too bad.
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It certainly is an interesting line of thought, we will probably never know.
 
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good point though one more tweak expensive would have been nice.
I couldn't get my 980BE past 4.3GHz.. mad.gif

So you're one of those PII users I spoke of that switched over to Intel. thumb.gif

My original choice for my rig was a 1090T, until further research led me down the Intel path.
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An X8 Thuban would had scored 7.41 in cine bench and would have given 3770K owner fits in multithreaded apps. At 4ghz it would have scored 9.34

I bet they could've done it on 32nm. If they did that for the short term, while still tweaking and fixing the Bulldozer design, we would've had a more competitive AMD the last couple years.

Instead, Bulldozer was rushed to market, and Piledriver now is what the original Bulldozer should've been. wink.gif

Hindsight is great, isn't it?
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At 32nm it wouldn't have been too bad.

My thoughts exactly. wink.gif
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I always had one of each, Intel and AMD, now I'm all Intel, Intel was my gamer and AMD was my daily usage rig.
then my work rig was AMD and they switched to Intel and got discount on Intel hardware.
at home when gaming and benching I got tired of my 980BE @ 4.3GHz getting 'housed' by an i5-2400 stock.
kill that noise.

I have said all along that PD is what BD should have been..
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AMD is in the same situation as when they release the 2900XT = Bulldozer, then they release the HD3870 = Piledriver.... the new one would be HD4000 series which was really good chip and cheap
so i guess at then end of the day AMD will come out winning all.

just look how well they did with 6000series and not to talk about 7000series which is killing competition right now.
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Alpha beat me to it. thumb.gif
Clock for Clock Phenom II @ 4.0 IS faster than an 8350 @ 4.0, even in multi-threaded and 2 LESS cores.



1090T @ 4.0





Single Thread Performance, compare it to the 8320 since they have similar clocks.



Why do you think a lot of Phenom II users haven't "upgraded" to BD or PD?

They'll see a real reason come Steamroller if AMD delivers.
You're confusing IPC with single threaded performance.

The reason a Hex-Thuban performs better @ 4.0Ghz than Piledriver @ 4.0Ghz is because shared resources scale worse. Also one is a max overclock vs. stock clock.

an 8350 @ 5.0Ghz scores ~8.7




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I have said all along that PD is what BD should have been..
That's because it is. FX Piledriver is a fixed Zambezi.
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AMD is in the same situation as when they release the 2900XT = Bulldozer, then they release the HD3870 = Piledriver.... the new one would be HD4000 series which was really good chip and cheap
so i guess at then end of the day AMD will come out winning all.

just look how well they did with 6000series and not to talk about 7000series which is killing competition right now.
rolleyes.gif calm down...
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