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Alarmist nonsense like this is spread on a daily basis. AMD aren't going anywhere.

Feel free to enlighten yourself once you got an interest in actual news published by Nasdaq.
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Feel free to enlighten yourself once you got an interest in actual news published by Nasdaq.

Link to said news, pl0x. AMD's been going under for many, many years now.
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Link to said news, pl0x. AMD's been going under for many, many years now.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/could-amd-go-bankrupt-cm183168#.UV8MZJOnpWY
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-cut-to-ccc-from-b-by-fitch-stock-falls-2013-01-30
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amds-loss-widens-to-473-million-2013-01-22
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-sells-austin-campus-2013-03-12

Additionally : Are you familiar with Z-score ?

http://beta.fool.com/thebargainbin/2013/03/18/are-these-companies-on-the-path-to-bankruptcy/27556/
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Advanced Micro Devices (NYSE: AMD)

AMD has seen better days. A perpetual second string to Intel in the PC and server market, AMD has no real footing in the mobile market and saw sales fall hard in 2012. One nugget of good news for AMD is that its processors will appear in the upcoming Playstation 4 from Sony and, by all accounts thus far, the upcoming XBox 720 (or whatever they end up calling it) from Microsoft.

Here's the calculation of the z-score for AMD with all of the relevant figures.


For the past 5 years AMD's z-score has been in the distressed region. The financial crisis caused a lot of companies to have problems, and during 2008 the z-score went negative. It began to improve through 2010, but has since turned around and become negative again. According to this, AMD is in as bad a shape as it was during the financial crisis. Not a good sign for the company.

The biggest negative component for AMD is the retained earnings / total assets, or B. Since retained earnings are becoming more and more negative this means that AMD is increasingly funding its operations through the use of debt as time goes on. Indeed, AMD has about $2 billion in debt, a number which increased from 2011. It's cash balance sits at about $1 billion, but this has fallen considerably over the last few years. With a negative free cash flow of $-471 million in 2012 and annual interest payments of $175 million it won't be long before the company blows through all of its cash. AMD is at risk of becoming just a memory within a few years time.

Selling assets, laying off workforce and losing money are NOT signs of a company doing well.
AMD will have to turn things around soon or it will end badly in these next few years.
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He's not off mark, I think I read this Phoronix review and another when PD came out, and was surprised at how competitive it was against Intel's 3770k, but then I noticed I was reading Linux reviews...

Lol... pretty BS report for obvious reason: they only overclocked the FX processor. The 3770k looks like it remained stock - actually all of the Intel chips were. The FX was stock AND overclocked. I'm glad an FX @ 4.6 can keep up with a IB at 3.5?

Going back to the other guys post: he claims his FX can beat a 3930k... loool. Come on AMD guys.... just... pls... Stop with the delusions. It's getting a bit weird.

After further investigation it appears as though that website was the only one who actually produced these numbers. Would be interesting to see more benchies come out from Linux users running these programs. One thing to keep in mind, however, is the AMD processor was ALL OVER THE PLACE. Some benchmarks it kept up, others it barely won, some it completely got destroyed. The IB is consistent throughout.
Edited by j3st3r - 4/5/13 at 10:56am
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Lol... pretty BS report for obvious reason: they only overclocked the FX processor. The 3770k looks like it remained stock - actually all of the Intel chips were. The FX was stock AND overclocked. I'm glad an FX @ 4.6 can keep up with a IB at 3.5?

Going back to the other guys post: he claims his FX can beat a 3930k... loool. Come on AMD guys.... just... pls... Stop with the delusions. It's getting a bit weird.

After further investigation it appears as though that website was the only one who actually produced these numbers. Would be interesting to see more benchies come out from Linux users running these programs. One thing to keep in mind, however, is the AMD processor was ALL OVER THE PLACE. Some benchmarks it kept up, others it barely won, some it completely got destroyed. The IB is consistent throughout.
His fx can beat the 3960 because it was an optimized scaling benchmark
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Lol... pretty BS report for obvious reason: they only overclocked the FX processor. The 3770k looks like it remained stock - actually all of the Intel chips were. The FX was stock AND overclocked. I'm glad an FX @ 4.6 can keep up with a IB at 3.5?

Going back to the other guys post: he claims his FX can beat a 3930k... loool. Come on AMD guys.... just... pls... Stop with the delusions. It's getting a bit weird.

After further investigation it appears as though that website was the only one who actually produced these numbers. Would be interesting to see more benchies come out from Linux users running these programs. One thing to keep in mind, however, is the AMD processor was ALL OVER THE PLACE. Some benchmarks it kept up, others it barely won, some it completely got destroyed. The IB is consistent throughout.

How is the IB consistent throughout if it's losing in some and winning in some, just as the FX???

I agree, the OC result for the 8350 is odd, but maybe they're showing you the total value of the 8350 vs an Intel product that it doesn't even compete with on cost? I only looked at the stock results, and in a lot of cases it's competitive with, or bests the 3770k.

Phoronix is a pretty well known website, I wouldn't doubt their methods or results.
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Selling assets, laying off workforce and losing money are NOT signs of a company doing well.
AMD will have to turn things around soon or it will end badly in these next few years.

Well, to be honest, they claimed an AMD bankruptcy was imminent also in '07 and '09..
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AMD has been paying their debts off pretty well lately.
 
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How is the IB consistent throughout if it's losing in some and winning in some, just as the FX???

I agree, the OC result for the 8350 is odd, but maybe they're showing you the total value of the 8350 vs an Intel product that it doesn't even compete with on cost? I only looked at the stock results, and in a lot of cases it's competitive with, or bests the 3770k.

Phoronix is a pretty well known website, I wouldn't doubt their methods or results.

Phoronix is one thing, that's thorough. One of the few sites with testing software that screams numbers at you, they test EVERYTING. It's crazy how they get into tests, what tests they do, sometimes I just read thinking "WT... This test isn't even important to many people". It's Phoronix, every test is important to them. lol

[edit] Alatar: Yeah, just hope they can continue to do so. Not many good predictions are coming about, so they are in a tough time. Which makes me very sad, cause if they can't make it to 2015 that means I need a new GPU. =( I don't believe that, just won't say they are doing amazing. If their ever was a time to support AMD, tis be now.
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How is the IB consistent throughout if it's losing in some and winning in some, just as the FX???

I agree, the OC result for the 8350 is odd, but maybe they're showing you the total value of the 8350 vs an Intel product that it doesn't even compete with on cost? I only looked at the stock results, and in a lot of cases it's competitive with, or bests the 3770k.

Phoronix is a pretty well known website, I wouldn't doubt their methods or results.

Because the IB either lost SLIGHTLY or WON slightly every time. The other scenarios, the FX series lost by an incredible margin. That is what I mean by consistent. The IB either kept up with the OC'd FX or completely destroyed it. I would argue this means the FX is inconsistent with that programs ultimately excel in using it.
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