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Well, to be honest, they claimed an AMD bankruptcy was imminent also in '07 and '09..

True, due to the financial crisis in 2008 / dwindling market share in 06-07 and an overpriced purchase of ATi.
The latter they were able to survive with a pretty big debt buildup in its wake. The 2008 crisis was compensated by better results in 2009-2010.

However 2013 for AMD is an entirely different situation.
Their GPUs are competitive but don't seem to be able to break the 35% marketshare, with PC sales in decline the overall results aren't going to improve for the dekstop GPU segment.
CPUs have been a small disaster for the consumer segment and servers haven't picked up with Bulldozer as much as they'd like. (~7% market share)
APUs looked promising but are required to adapt quickly to the new mobile segment (not talking notebooks here) or it will, yet again, be too little too late for AMD.
GF was dropped, other assets were sold and still AMD wasn't able to polish up the results causing them to accumulate debt (which they were still able to do back then).

These are huge sacrifices to save a company with such debts, up until now this has kept AMD alive
but don't expect them to go on doing this for ever. They'll need to turn some serious profits in the next quarters to come since they are on their last 1.5 billion and then it's game over.
Why ? Since any company with a CCC- rating like AMD can't just go to the bank and ask for another loan like it did in the past. Banks are much less likely to do these things now (post financial crisis).
So these dollars really are the last dollars available, after that AMD will have to do some serious cutting into its own flesh. (As it did last month with the HQ sale.)
There are a few hypothetical solutions like selling former ATi, selling the CPU segment or some of the licenses involved but these are drastic, last resort measures, once initiated AMD will never be the same again.
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AMD has been paying their debts off pretty well lately.

Cashflow has been sufficient so far yes, due to their HQ sale and lease back action (something governments all over Europe have been doing as a last resort to polish up their results). Generally speaking, this is not a good sign but granted, they were able to keep up so far.

Anyway, I'm going way off topic now, sorry.
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If there is a hot time to buy a high risk/high reward, it is right now. Tons of segments in the market are experiencing this exact issue (look at Panasonic and Sony).

Amd would unlikely go bankrupt, but I can see them selling assets or being or being bought out. Think of the past Heinz buyout by Buffet, ignoring the insider trading, people who were smart and took the high risk a year ago with heinz are laughing on the way to the bank.

There was a report in January of rebound stocks with high risk/reward, amd was in the top 10. I think it was forbes but not entirely sure.
     
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Lol... pretty BS report for obvious reason: they only overclocked the FX processor. The 3770k looks like it remained stock - actually all of the Intel chips were. The FX was stock AND overclocked. I'm glad an FX @ 4.6 can keep up with a IB at 3.5?

Going back to the other guys post: he claims his FX can beat a 3930k... loool. Come on AMD guys.... just... pls... Stop with the delusions. It's getting a bit weird.

After further investigation it appears as though that website was the only one who actually produced these numbers. Would be interesting to see more benchies come out from Linux users running these programs. One thing to keep in mind, however, is the AMD processor was ALL OVER THE PLACE. Some benchmarks it kept up, others it barely won, some it completely got destroyed. The IB is consistent throughout.

We all know you love Intel but come on. You can stop with the exaggerations now. The 3770k lost pretty badly in this one.

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We all know you love Intel but come on. You can stop with the exaggerations now. The 3770k lost pretty badly in this one.


that's useful considering all the pro-software you can run on linux...i mean gaming you can do...i mean servers. that's it actually, servers biggrin.gif
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that's useful considering all the pro-software you can run on linux...i mean gaming you can do...i mean servers. that's it actually, servers biggrin.gif

Even a normal user will compile at some point in Linux, it can take a long time...
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We all know you love Intel but come on. You can stop with the exaggerations now. The 3770k lost pretty badly in this one.

that's useful considering all the pro-software you can run on linux...i mean gaming you can do...i mean servers. that's it actually, servers biggrin.gif

Never heard of WINE, have you.

People who do not know linux, should not try talking about linux. wink.gif
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Even a normal user will compile at some point in Linux, it can take a long time...
See my point there really aren't that much ppl that use a Linux distro who don't have the skills to work with it.
However I do understand the difference between a normal Linux user and a normal(average user) and understand you mean the first.
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Never heard of WINE, have you.

People who do not know linux, should not try talking about linux. wink.gif
Well I've ran linux distro's on my G5 and have used WINE I actually used QEMU(guess that was the name) to emulate windows tasks on the powerpc architecture.
Not sure how all this is relevant 90% still uses windows therefore there is no need saying how it does in Linux as barely anyone is using it.
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Never heard of WINE, have you.

People who do not know linux, should not try talking about linux. wink.gif


but wine=significant performance decrease right? which would probably cancel out the other performance increase
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Never heard of WINE, have you.

People who do not know linux, should not try talking about linux. wink.gif
Well I've ran linux distro's on my G5 and have used WINE I actually used QEMU(guess that was the name) to emulate windows tasks on the powerpc architecture.
Not sure how all this is relevant 90% still uses windows therefore there is no need saying how it does in Linux as barely anyone is using it.

What does who uses what have to do with what an OS is capable of? Nothing.

People here keep taking the jam-packed I-290 on the way to work instead of using North Ave to cut off a bunch of that stop-and-go rush hour, that doesn't mean North doesn't exist and doesn't connect later down the road.
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Never heard of WINE, have you.

People who do not know linux, should not try talking about linux. wink.gif


but wine=significant performance decrease right? which would probably cancel out the other performance increase

No idea why you think that. Some games in WINE even perform better then in Windows. Heck, I run Starcraft II maxed out 1080p in OpenSUSE 12.3 on Anvil in my sig, no issue. Slows down a bit in late game, but it's SC II on a Ph II, it was going to happen.

You just don't get your advantage of compiling the program. Most of the time.

And frankly, if using the free program, like blender, in linux, can cut your render times in half or better, and you make a living off this, you're stupid to be using something else. Make your model in whatever you want, export it into something Blender can use, render it. It isn't uncommon.
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