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See my point there really aren't that much ppl that use a Linux distro who don't have the skills to work with it.
However I do understand the difference between a normal Linux user and a normal(average user) and understand you mean the first.

My point is that you're far more likely to encounter tasks that utilize a lot of threads in Linux compared to Windows, therefore the performance metric is slightly skewed in AMD's favor for those tasks. I'm not saying AMD completely demolishes Intel, but it is much better than it is in Windows.
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My point is that you're far more likely to encounter tasks that utilize a lot of threads in Linux compared to Windows, therefore the performance metric is slightly skewed in AMD's favor for those tasks. I'm not saying AMD completely demolishes Intel, but it is much better than it is in Windows.

I guess that's great for 5% of computer users out there. Check this out, Linux has been hovering around the 3% - 5% mark for 8 years.

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My point is that you're far more likely to encounter tasks that utilize a lot of threads in Linux compared to Windows, therefore the performance metric is slightly skewed in AMD's favor for those tasks.

The question is... Up to what point is AMD dealing with a pro-Intel environment under Windows?

It might not have a lot of users, but its userbase is truly great from my own experience. Your average Linux user is knowledgeable about his stuff, and he usually has a nice way of thinking in the sense of the system preservation, not like the average eggplant that uses a Windows computer.

Linux is and will remain a niche market though, until someone really starts stompin' the floor (read: IBM, Dell, HP, Samsung).
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The question is... Up to what point is AMD dealing with a pro-Intel environment under Windows?

Windows is obviously pro-Intel, the same reason game developers are pro-Windows. Make a product that you can sell to the most people while spending the least amount of money. AMD is compatible with the same applications as Intel, they just ignore all the Intel-specific optimizations. Of course, they don't compile with any AMD-specific optimizations either.
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The question is... Up to what point is AMD dealing with a pro-Intel environment under Windows?

Up to what point is AMD fans dealing with the color of the Sky being Intel Blue?

OT: MS did promise Win8 would involve tweaks that improve Bulldozer performance, but it seems like the difference is negligible.
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Most Linux Distros have a version compiled for AMD64 which is better optimized from the start for the current processors. Ever noticed that when you download the Distro image, there is a whole bunch of different versions (in addition to x86/x64).
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Up to what point is AMD fans dealing with the color of the Sky being Intel Blue?

Windows being Pro-Intel is just like the Sky being Pro-Intel, it is the governed by rules AMD couldn't control.

Exactly, Intel sets the rules and AMD must design their processors around those rules. I guess considering that, AMD does pretty good.
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Exactly, Intel sets the rules and AMD must design their processors around those rules. I guess considering that, AMD does pretty good.

Considering how much smaller AMD is, how far it is behind in transistor efficiency & and fab tech. It is a minor achievement for AMD to match 3770K in multithread performance with FX-8350.
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Exactly, Intel sets the rules and AMD must design their processors around those rules. I guess considering that, AMD does pretty good.
Well it isn't hard to swipe all those arguments off the table and after that get back to the main discussion.
Even under Linux a equally cored rig high end server intel performs way better (core/core) (usage/usage) so those claiming that it is only because a amd proc isn't utilized fully is foolish.
Their IPC and their transistor size are what is keeping their processors back.

If they improve enough and make a processor/platform(chipset) which will scale up to 8 processors or more without the use of ScaleMP software the platform after Brickland might be the AMD flavoured one.
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Considering how much smaller AMD is, how far it is behind in transistor efficiency & and fab tech. It is a minor achievement for AMD to match 3770K in multithread performance with FX-8350.

Right, I'm glad we can agree on that. AMD is most certainly weaker than Intel, but look at their budget vs Intel. Look at the fact that Intel decides when it changes process nodes, while AMD has to wait on GF or TSMC.

We're already seeing the effects of no competition, just imagine how expensive and how minor the improvements will be if AMD is completely gone. That's why I'm an AMD guy, because they're good enough and I like competition.
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