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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

Interesting read excelent.
Pretty shocking though but on the other hand this is good news this means that amd's solutions for upcoming consoles will really shine bright especially if you consider they are holding 1.8TFlops single in gpu power.(where the cpu was critisized as weak it will show its true potential)
With optimized coding those things might make next gen games look greater again biggrin.gif
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Author: Agner Date: 2012-05-17 13:40
Guest wrote:
does anyone have any news on whether Intel has any intention of removing the performance throttle against AMD?
It's not getting better. The latest version of Intel's SVML (small vector math library) has some functions that can only be called from processors with AVX because the input parameter is an AVX vector (YMM register). There is no logical reason why these functions should have a CPU dispatcher, yet they have two different code paths for the same instruction set: An optimized version for Intel processors with AVX and an inferior version for other brands of CPU with AVX.

All Intel has done is placed a warning on the compiler, letting you know that it will run poorly on non-intel processors. The settlement achieved nothing and Intel is still crippling AMD frown.gif
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You mean like how Intel's slowest 10-core is 105w TDP and all the others are 130w TPD? AMD's biggest is 140w TDP. Everything below that, including the four other 16-core chips, is 115W TDP. Sorry, one of the 16-core chips is 85w TDP.

So about that power/performance ratio...
Power consumption not Thermal design power.
Amd's solution are just less power efficient/performance that is a fact and I wish it was the other way around as that would save me a lot of money on my hobby.

So stop pulling magical numbers out of nowhere and prove it, because TDP says more than nothing. I think you underestimate the power consumption of 10 intel cores and 30MB of L3 cache.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E7-8870-vs-AMD-Opteron-6386-SE

Only reference I have seen. Puts the AMD chip a whole 8w higher power consumtion. Wow, what a difference. rolleyes.gif

So, do some math for me, how long will it take for the energy bill to make up for the extra $3000 price difference?
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Ugh...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_fx8350_visherabdver2&num=5

Completely ignoring the fact that ONLY the FX was overclocked to 4.6 while the Intel was kept at 3.5 lol.

Yeah you go ahead and advocate that FX. The reality is IB is better.

Your argument is invalid. The FX-8350 at stock still beats the 3770k at stock in that pic.
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Oh wow... that's ridiculous. Why is nobody doing anything about that O_o ?

Of course this is still going on today. The only thing that changed was that Intel was forced to put a disclaimer notice on their compiler.
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The FTC settlement included a disclosure provision where Intel must:
“ ...publish clearly that its compiler discriminates against non-Intel processors (such as AMD's designs), not fully utilizing their features and producing inferior code. ”

In compliance with this rule, Intel added an "optimization notice" to its compiler descriptions stating that they "do not optimize equally for non-Intel microprocessors" and that "certain compiler options for Intel compilers, including some that are not specific to Intel micro-architecture, are reserved for Intel microprocessors". It says that:

"Intel® compilers, associated libraries and associated development tools may or may not optimize to the same degree for non-Intel microprocessors for optimizations that are not unique to Intel microprocessors. These optimizations include Intel® Streaming SIMD Extensions 2 (Intel® SSE2), Intel® Streaming SIMD Extensions 3 (Intel® SSE3), and Supplemental Streaming SIMD Extensions 3 (Intel® SSSE3) instruction sets and other optimizations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_C%2B%2B_Compiler
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So stop pulling magical numbers out of nowhere and prove it, because TDP says more than nothing. I think you underestimate the power consumption of 10 intel cores and 30MB of L3 cache.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E7-8870-vs-AMD-Opteron-6386-SE

Only reference I have seen. Puts the AMD chip a whole 8w higher power consumtion. Wow, what a difference. rolleyes.gif

So, do some math for me, how long will it take for the energy bill to make up for the extra $3000 price difference?

at 8.76 dollars a year running cost difference, and an MSRP cost difference of 3224. It would take 368.03 years for that to even out...
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So stop pulling magical numbers out of nowhere and prove it, because TDP says more than nothing. I think you underestimate the power consumption of 10 intel cores and 30MB of L3 cache.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E7-8870-vs-AMD-Opteron-6386-SE

Only reference I have seen. Puts the AMD chip a whole 8w higher power consumtion. Wow, what a difference. rolleyes.gif

So, do some math for me, how long will it take for the energy bill to make up for the extra $3000 price difference?

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at 8.76 dollars a year running cost difference, and an MSRP cost difference of 3224. It would take 368.03 years for that to even out...


Unless you're running 10 thousand servers plus cooling. Then it does make quite a bit of difference. The bean counters at major corporations know this. A lot of energy put into server farms is the cooling. I figured even you guys would know that much. The less money you spend on cooling the more you save. I assure someone a lot smarter and with all the FACTS did the number crunching before companies started buying racks of servers with Intel Chips in them.
 
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I assure someone a lot smarter and with all the FACTS did the number crunching before companies started buying racks of servers with Intel Chips in them.

Or AMD...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opteron#Supercomputers

The top 3 AMD-based supercomputers (ranked 3, 6 and 8) are using latest gen Opteron processors.
   
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Sorry if you can't see past your prejudices.

I asked an actual question. I am actually curious what features of AMD's processors can Windows use, and which ones cannot. And the same for Intel. And compare its effects on system performance.

If Linux can squeeze a very nice margin of performance out of an FX to the point it can even beat an i7, why Windows can not?

In the past, Microsoft and Intel formed an alliance that became known as Wintel. This should sum it up.
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Intel and Microsoft are one of the most dominant alliances to ever grace the business world. The two companies moved in lock-step throughout the PC / Internet revolution and delivered lofty returns to their shareholders along the way.

The relationship between these companies was simple: Intel provided the hardware and Microsoft provided the software.

http://techinsidr.com/intel-and-microsoft-back-from-the-dead/
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Or AMD...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opteron#Supercomputers

The top 3 AMD-based supercomputers (ranked 3, 6 and 8) are using latest gen Opteron processors.

Or mainly a Mix of PowerPC & Xeon According to Top500 which tracks he 500 most powerful (non-distributed) computer systems in the world.

In the Top10, we have 1 Opteron(Titan), 3 Xeon ,1 Fujitsu & rest are IBM chips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top500


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In the past, Microsoft and Intel formed an alliance that became known as Wintel. This should sum it up.
http://techinsidr.com/intel-and-microsoft-back-from-the-dead/
Not to slide off topic somewhat, but your link is out of date. Microsoft hasn't offered "lofty returns" at all. In the last half decade, the stock has a roughly 0% return. That's right.....$1k invested 5 years ago is worth $1k today. tongue.gif Intel has done even worse and has actually lost money for investors over the same time period, so this link is way off base!
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The Haswell semi failure and the AMD success with the console chips APU-s and this new architecture will make Intel have some problems this year.

Good news.
AMD seem to be on the right path.
As long as the prices are low it s good for the customers.

The APU strategy is for the win it seems.
   
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