Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [xbitlabs] AMD: We Are On Track With Steamroller Micro-Architecture in 2013.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[xbitlabs] AMD: We Are On Track With Steamroller Micro-Architecture in 2013. - Page 52  

post #511 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

So stop pulling magical numbers out of nowhere and prove it, because TDP says more than nothing. I think you underestimate the power consumption of 10 intel cores and 30MB of L3 cache.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E7-8870-vs-AMD-Opteron-6386-SE

Only reference I have seen. Puts the AMD chip a whole 8w higher power consumtion. Wow, what a difference. rolleyes.gif

So, do some math for me, how long will it take for the energy bill to make up for the extra $3000 price difference?
For a mod you're really joking around like crazy you are comparing a old westermere based core to the top of the line current amd proc.
It is so sad Brickland got pushed back to Q4 2013 but it will wipe the floor with those amd procs.

Why even try to say that it does equal as it just doesn't the performance by interlagos is very good and can match intel's SB EP line up at a lower price level but not in power consumption.
Edited by maarten12100 - 4/5/13 at 5:01pm
post #512 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

Either way, he has a clear point. Intel has been the go to buy for the last two generations if you dont mind spending that much.

fixed
Turd Burner
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.9Ghz Asus Crosshair V formula Sapphire HD 7970 @ 1175/1575 AMD HD 7970 E-Sample @ 1175/1575 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
GSkill ripjaws X @ 2000Mhz OCZ Vertex 4 /128GB WD Velociraptor 10,000rpm /300GB WD Black /500GB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Asus BW-12B1ST Blu-ray Corsair H80 Win7 x64 52" Toshiba LCD 1080p TV 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
cooler master 1000w silent pro M Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Cyborg R.A.T 9 Red Tweed Couch lol 
Audio
SB X-FI-2 
  hide details  
Turd Burner
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.9Ghz Asus Crosshair V formula Sapphire HD 7970 @ 1175/1575 AMD HD 7970 E-Sample @ 1175/1575 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
GSkill ripjaws X @ 2000Mhz OCZ Vertex 4 /128GB WD Velociraptor 10,000rpm /300GB WD Black /500GB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Asus BW-12B1ST Blu-ray Corsair H80 Win7 x64 52" Toshiba LCD 1080p TV 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
cooler master 1000w silent pro M Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Cyborg R.A.T 9 Red Tweed Couch lol 
Audio
SB X-FI-2 
  hide details  
post #513 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malo View Post

because he refuses to accept the fact that intel doesnt win EVERY benchmark.... he refuses to accept the fact that AMD has a WAY better price/performance ratio than intel, A fanboy is someone who refuses to accept new information and blindly follows a brand and isnt open to new options

Anand Bench CPU comparison.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/701?vs=697

i5 3570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
FX 8350
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

i5 wins in like 80% of the benchmarks? On top of using less power, unless you have a very specific workload, why should you buy an FX8350? You can also OC the i5 more than the FX I think. Not sure, haven't looked around at OC.net's average OCs yet.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II x4 965  GigaByte GPA-890G-UD3H XFX 6950 Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Hitachi 7200RPM Asus crappy drive Windows 7 Ultimate 1600x900 LG Backlit LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shining Red Cherry MX [Blue LED] 700 Watt Cooler Master PSU Cooler Master Storm Scout Razer TRON Gaming Mouse 
  hide details  
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II x4 965  GigaByte GPA-890G-UD3H XFX 6950 Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Hitachi 7200RPM Asus crappy drive Windows 7 Ultimate 1600x900 LG Backlit LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shining Red Cherry MX [Blue LED] 700 Watt Cooler Master PSU Cooler Master Storm Scout Razer TRON Gaming Mouse 
  hide details  
post #514 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post


Unless you're running 10 thousand servers plus cooling. Then it does make quite a bit of difference. The bean counters at major corporations know this. A lot of energy put into server farms is the cooling. I figured even you guys would know that much. The less money you spend on cooling the more you save. I assure someone a lot smarter and with all the FACTS did the number crunching before companies started buying racks of servers with Intel Chips in them.

no, it would still take 300+ years per cpu to even out.
post #515 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

Anand Bench CPU comparison.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/701?vs=697

i5 3570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
FX 8350
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

i5 wins in like 80% of the benchmarks? On top of using less power, unless you have a very specific workload, why should you buy an FX8350? You can also OC the i5 more than the FX I think. Not sure, haven't looked around at OC.net's average OCs yet.

if you OC (witch almost all of us do here on OCN) you can throw power consumption out the window, if you really cared so much about power comsumption, buy a netbook lol tongue.gif and everybody knows AMD setups are generally less expencive (mobo's)

*edit*
I dont get your point of posting the benchmarks?
Turd Burner
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.9Ghz Asus Crosshair V formula Sapphire HD 7970 @ 1175/1575 AMD HD 7970 E-Sample @ 1175/1575 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
GSkill ripjaws X @ 2000Mhz OCZ Vertex 4 /128GB WD Velociraptor 10,000rpm /300GB WD Black /500GB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Asus BW-12B1ST Blu-ray Corsair H80 Win7 x64 52" Toshiba LCD 1080p TV 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
cooler master 1000w silent pro M Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Cyborg R.A.T 9 Red Tweed Couch lol 
Audio
SB X-FI-2 
  hide details  
Turd Burner
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.9Ghz Asus Crosshair V formula Sapphire HD 7970 @ 1175/1575 AMD HD 7970 E-Sample @ 1175/1575 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
GSkill ripjaws X @ 2000Mhz OCZ Vertex 4 /128GB WD Velociraptor 10,000rpm /300GB WD Black /500GB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Asus BW-12B1ST Blu-ray Corsair H80 Win7 x64 52" Toshiba LCD 1080p TV 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
cooler master 1000w silent pro M Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Cyborg R.A.T 9 Red Tweed Couch lol 
Audio
SB X-FI-2 
  hide details  
post #516 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malo View Post

if you OC (witch almost all of us do here on OCN) you can throw power consumption out the window, if you really cared so much about power comsumption, buy a netbook lol tongue.gifand everybody knows AMD setups are generally less expencive (mobo's)

*edit*
I dont get your point of posting the benchmarks?

wrong, motherboard prices are based on features not what socket is on them, try again.

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#s=4,22,14&sort=a6
Edited by looniam - 4/5/13 at 5:06pm
Loon build v3.3
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5-2400@3.8Ghz Asus P8Z77-V Pro [in santa's sleigh!] EVGA GTX 570 (physX) 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP OC'd 1866 250gb Samsung 840 EVO 1 TB Western Digital Black 2 TB Western Digital Green 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
DVD DVDRW+/- Noctua NH-D14 Win7 x64 Dell E2211H (1920x1080) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 1908FP (1280x1024) Underwood No. 5 EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 Antec Thee Hundred and Two 
MouseAudio
eats cheese asus xonar DG 
  hide details  
Loon build v3.3
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5-2400@3.8Ghz Asus P8Z77-V Pro [in santa's sleigh!] EVGA GTX 570 (physX) 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP OC'd 1866 250gb Samsung 840 EVO 1 TB Western Digital Black 2 TB Western Digital Green 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
DVD DVDRW+/- Noctua NH-D14 Win7 x64 Dell E2211H (1920x1080) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 1908FP (1280x1024) Underwood No. 5 EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 Antec Thee Hundred and Two 
MouseAudio
eats cheese asus xonar DG 
  hide details  
post #517 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

So stop pulling magical numbers out of nowhere and prove it, because TDP says more than nothing. I think you underestimate the power consumption of 10 intel cores and 30MB of L3 cache.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E7-8870-vs-AMD-Opteron-6386-SE

Only reference I have seen. Puts the AMD chip a whole 8w higher power consumtion. Wow, what a difference. rolleyes.gif

So, do some math for me, how long will it take for the energy bill to make up for the extra $3000 price difference?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperTeamTango View Post

at 8.76 dollars a year running cost difference, and an MSRP cost difference of 3224. It would take 368.03 years for that to even out...


Unless you're running 10 thousand servers plus cooling. Then it does make quite a bit of difference.

All I needed to read to know you don't know what you're saying.

Yes. The AMDs make less heat (see TDP) outside the absolute strongest CPU, which is still only a 10w difference, and they cost $3300 less. Per CPU. The price scaling is perfectly linear. It doesn't matter if you buy 10 or 10 million, it will take over 300 years for energy costs to match the CPU cost.

Don't assume, don't be a fanboy, do the math.
Quote:
Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

So stop pulling magical numbers out of nowhere and prove it, because TDP says more than nothing. I think you underestimate the power consumption of 10 intel cores and 30MB of L3 cache.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E7-8870-vs-AMD-Opteron-6386-SE

Only reference I have seen. Puts the AMD chip a whole 8w higher power consumtion. Wow, what a difference. rolleyes.gif

So, do some math for me, how long will it take for the energy bill to make up for the extra $3000 price difference?
For a mod you're really joking around like crazy you are comparing a old westermere based core to the top of the line current amd proc.
It is so sad Brickland got pushed back to Q4 2013 but it will wipe the floor with those amd procs.

Why even try to say that it does equal as it just doesn't the performance by interlagos is very good and can match intel's SB EP line up at a lower price level but not in power consumption.

I compared the best CPU available on Intel's site (Note quad-channel memory, it is SB-e), against the best available from AMD.

When Intel releases a new CPU, you may compare. Until then, don't assume, don't be a fanboy, do the math.

AMD wins becasue the extremely small power cost does not make up the massive CPU cost that takes over 300 years to make up for.

Are you going to call the math a liar? I could use a good laugh.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

You can also OC the i5 more than the FX I think.

Ignoring everything else, no, AMD OC's farther. I have yet to see more then one or two 8350s that won't hit 4.8 on an H80 or better, many can do 5Ghz, and some even go beyond that. Ivy can more or less keep up, if you de-lid.
Edited by KyadCK - 4/5/13 at 5:15pm
The Forge
(31 items)
 
The Anvil
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-9590 Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 Rev 3.0 Gigabyte 290X OC Windforce 4GB AMD R9 4x4GB 1600 8-8-8-21 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 830 256GB Samsung 840 EVO 500GB Hitachi 750GB Koolance 380A 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
RX360 Windows 8 Enterprise x64 Overlord Tempest 27XOC HP 2311GT 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
LG Flatron E2250T Dell U2212HM Dell U2212HM Dell U2212HM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K90 Corsair AX1200 CM HAF Stacker 935 Corsair Vengeance M60 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sound Blaster ZxR Yamaha HTR-6130 Sound Blaster Tactic 3D Omega 2x Fisher STV-758 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Dayton SUB-1200 2x Cerwin Vega E-312 Creative SB X-Fi Extreme Music Cerwin Vega Center 
OtherOtherOther
CH Fighterstick USB CH Pro Throttle USB CH Pro Pedals USB 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD Kaveri 7850k Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-UP4 AMD R9 2400 10-11-10 2x4GB Intel 530 240GB SSD 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Microcenter 120GB SSD Corsair H80 Windows 8 3x LG Flatron E2242 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K60 Corsair TX750 v2 CM HAF XM Corsair M60 
Mouse PadAudio
The Desk Onboard Realtek 
  hide details  
The Forge
(31 items)
 
The Anvil
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-9590 Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 Rev 3.0 Gigabyte 290X OC Windforce 4GB AMD R9 4x4GB 1600 8-8-8-21 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 830 256GB Samsung 840 EVO 500GB Hitachi 750GB Koolance 380A 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
RX360 Windows 8 Enterprise x64 Overlord Tempest 27XOC HP 2311GT 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
LG Flatron E2250T Dell U2212HM Dell U2212HM Dell U2212HM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K90 Corsair AX1200 CM HAF Stacker 935 Corsair Vengeance M60 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sound Blaster ZxR Yamaha HTR-6130 Sound Blaster Tactic 3D Omega 2x Fisher STV-758 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Dayton SUB-1200 2x Cerwin Vega E-312 Creative SB X-Fi Extreme Music Cerwin Vega Center 
OtherOtherOther
CH Fighterstick USB CH Pro Throttle USB CH Pro Pedals USB 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD Kaveri 7850k Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-UP4 AMD R9 2400 10-11-10 2x4GB Intel 530 240GB SSD 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Microcenter 120GB SSD Corsair H80 Windows 8 3x LG Flatron E2242 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K60 Corsair TX750 v2 CM HAF XM Corsair M60 
Mouse PadAudio
The Desk Onboard Realtek 
  hide details  
post #518 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by SCollins View Post

no, it would still take 300+ years per cpu to even out.
well if you need twice the power for the same peformance cooling it with huge AC units it is gonna cost you a lot in terms of cooling equipment, a capable building, power bill.

What do you think the point of oil submerged servers was in the first place if you think it was lower temps you are only partly correct the main was more efficient cooling with the energy stored in a liquid which you can simply guide to a radiator outside. (a 1Kw pump system vs a 20Kw AC system seems like a pretty solid solution)
post #519 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCollins View Post

no, it would still take 300+ years per cpu to even out.
well if you need twice the power for the same peformance cooling it with huge AC units it is gonna cost you a lot in terms of cooling equipment, a capable building, power bill.

What do you think the point of oil submerged servers was in the first place if you think it was lower temps you are only partly correct the main was more efficient cooling with the energy stored in a liquid which you can simply guide to a radiator outside. (a 1Kw pump system vs a 20Kw AC system seems like a pretty solid solution)

Except you don't need twice the power consumption, and the AMD chips run colder most of the time.

Again, stop making up magic numbers, make proof. tongue.gif
The Forge
(31 items)
 
The Anvil
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-9590 Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 Rev 3.0 Gigabyte 290X OC Windforce 4GB AMD R9 4x4GB 1600 8-8-8-21 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 830 256GB Samsung 840 EVO 500GB Hitachi 750GB Koolance 380A 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
RX360 Windows 8 Enterprise x64 Overlord Tempest 27XOC HP 2311GT 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
LG Flatron E2250T Dell U2212HM Dell U2212HM Dell U2212HM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K90 Corsair AX1200 CM HAF Stacker 935 Corsair Vengeance M60 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sound Blaster ZxR Yamaha HTR-6130 Sound Blaster Tactic 3D Omega 2x Fisher STV-758 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Dayton SUB-1200 2x Cerwin Vega E-312 Creative SB X-Fi Extreme Music Cerwin Vega Center 
OtherOtherOther
CH Fighterstick USB CH Pro Throttle USB CH Pro Pedals USB 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD Kaveri 7850k Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-UP4 AMD R9 2400 10-11-10 2x4GB Intel 530 240GB SSD 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Microcenter 120GB SSD Corsair H80 Windows 8 3x LG Flatron E2242 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K60 Corsair TX750 v2 CM HAF XM Corsair M60 
Mouse PadAudio
The Desk Onboard Realtek 
  hide details  
The Forge
(31 items)
 
The Anvil
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-9590 Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 Rev 3.0 Gigabyte 290X OC Windforce 4GB AMD R9 4x4GB 1600 8-8-8-21 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 830 256GB Samsung 840 EVO 500GB Hitachi 750GB Koolance 380A 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
RX360 Windows 8 Enterprise x64 Overlord Tempest 27XOC HP 2311GT 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
LG Flatron E2250T Dell U2212HM Dell U2212HM Dell U2212HM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K90 Corsair AX1200 CM HAF Stacker 935 Corsair Vengeance M60 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sound Blaster ZxR Yamaha HTR-6130 Sound Blaster Tactic 3D Omega 2x Fisher STV-758 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Dayton SUB-1200 2x Cerwin Vega E-312 Creative SB X-Fi Extreme Music Cerwin Vega Center 
OtherOtherOther
CH Fighterstick USB CH Pro Throttle USB CH Pro Pedals USB 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD Kaveri 7850k Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-UP4 AMD R9 2400 10-11-10 2x4GB Intel 530 240GB SSD 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Microcenter 120GB SSD Corsair H80 Windows 8 3x LG Flatron E2242 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K60 Corsair TX750 v2 CM HAF XM Corsair M60 
Mouse PadAudio
The Desk Onboard Realtek 
  hide details  
post #520 of 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

All I needed to read to know you don't know what you're saying.

Yes. The AMDs make less heat (see TDP) outside the absolute strongest CPU, which is still only a 10w difference, and they cost $3300 less. Per CPU. The price scaling is perfectly linear. It doesn't matter if you buy 10 or 10 million, it will take over 300 years for energy costs to match the CPU cost.

Don't assume, don't be a fanboy, do the math.
I compared the best CPU available on Intel's site (Note quad-channel memory, it is SB-e), against the best available from AMD.

When Intel releases a new CPU, you may compare. Until then, don't assume, don't be a fanboy, do the math.

AMD wins becasue the extremely small power cost does not make up the massive CPU cost that takes over 300 years to make up for.

.
Don't keep bringing up TDP as power consumption those are 2 different things.
Highest end interlagos equals highest end E5-26XX V1 still doesn't make me not want to put up sunglasses and say deal with it as a e5-2660+ can be had for 150 euros a pop non retail.(and use significantly less power however I'm not going to bring up my every E5-26XX chip has 3 qpi links > e5-46XX argument)
A simple case of nobody is right if everybody is wrong don't you think?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
This thread is locked  
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [xbitlabs] AMD: We Are On Track With Steamroller Micro-Architecture in 2013.