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Show me an AMD board that isn't cheaper than its Intel equivalent.
So that's all you have to say with no proof to refute my argument? Let me point it out for you since you're blind. The FX-8350 at STOCK completed that bench in 23:34. The 3770k completed it in 33:05. The OVERCLOCKED FX-8350 completed the bench in 20:30. The stock FX-8350 handily beats the stock 3770k in that bench.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_fx8350_visherabdver2&num=5

3770k stock - 22.90

4.6 overclocked FX - 31.65

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Your argument is invalid. The FX-8350 at stock still beats the 3770k at stock in that pic.
Of course this is still going on today. The only thing that changed was that Intel was forced to put a disclaimer notice on their compiler.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_C%2B%2B_Compiler

Firstly, AMD & Intel settled their "differences"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2873

Secondly, as you pointed out, Intel IS complying with the settlement outlined by the FTC, so what's the problem?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3839/intel-settles-with-the-ftc

This is clear on their website.
http://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-compilers

















Disclaimer: I know what the problem really is, but Intel IS complying with the requests made by the FTC, so really, what's the problem? wink.gif

I find it funny that those optimization notices are .gif, instead of pure text. Guess you can't easily find them that way. smile.gif
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Never said studios don't use 24bit, the mastered tracks aren't 24 bit.

if a studio you are renting along with an engineer is not using a 24bit master, then you need to find another studio/engineer.
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Unless you can get an unmastered track of higher quality or they release high quality masters, you won't find it. Since that is rare, very rare, you are going to more commonly find a 16bit audio track.
unless you do all your music shopping on itunes there quite a few distributions of FLAC audio that uses 24 bit depth. it isn't all that rare nor it is just in electronic music, which ironically needs much less than say a recording of an orchestra or an acoustic performance.
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As far as telling the difference, I've gone to extensive measures to find answers to this. I'm extremely picky when it comes to audio. While I'll spend a good chunk on my audio equipment, that money is going to be spent reasonably and justifiably. SNR isn't exactly a clear cut situation either. It's been proven over and over again that you can do simple things to "improve" audio fidelity. One of those nice tricks is boosting the signal, or making it louder.

what??? what???? it really looks you got lost there and i hate to tell you that you have possibly been throwing away good money because boosting the signal is far from a "work around" for a less than desirable SNR.
what will increasing the volume do?
make the noise louder!
you cannot cover up noise because, well its freaking noise. its there and trying to get rid of it by prodigiously trying to EQ the bad stuff out but, you'll end up cutting out some of the good stuff. so it will end up with an audio abortion instead birthing a pleasant music experience. (lol see what i did there) a signal is only good as it ratio above the noise level. working with a signal with a lot of noise is like taking a bath in dirty water.

rule #1 if it sounds bad turn it down
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We as humans have this neat little issue in our ears, we perceive louder noise as cleaner noise regardless if the audio is cleaner or not. I could go on and on about this, obviously your an audiophile so I'm not going to waste my time. You will believe what you want to believe, do the research that justifies it, come to your own conclusion. The same thought process applies to conspiracy theorists, they will come to the conclusions with the information given. A good movie that sheds light on this idea is Number 23. If a person believes something they will search for it, eventually they will find patterns if the belief (faith) is high enough. Those patterns cause justification for their beliefs even more, allowing them to come to conclusions that may possibly be wrong.

louder is cleaner? louder is louder. louder noise means your ears are ringing later. (read above) ever walk out of a concert with your ears ringing? that wasn't volume it was the noise. i would mix band and it would hit ~95dbs+ (yeah freaking LOUD! - ever heard of jackyl? clutch?) if i went home, sat down, had a beer in the quiet and my ears weren't ringing; then i knew i did my job. give me 5 minutes listening to you tube with crappy speaker @ 35dbs and my ears are ringing half the day. no research needed to justify that.
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Unless you have audio input that is of high quality, most likely the difference you hear in audio goes down to how they set preferences.

sorry it works the other way around, at the risk of constantly repeating myself, you can't do anything with a bad signal; at least not with any tool available to a computer user. but you can do plenty bad with a good signal!
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If you want to believe what you purchase is justified, go right ahead and do it. I treat it as buying a Titan or going Intel for gaming. You may not need it, you might never notice the difference. It makes you feel better, who cares?
well there you go, thinking that getting an intel is like the extravagance of buying a titan. it simply is not; what starting this little dialogue was that intel motherboard are more expensive than AMD and that is simple not true today. that platform hub is not longer need since it moved onto the cpu - less components, less cost. the motherboard manufacturers no longer need to buy in install a chipset for the PCI lanes for the graphics and the memory controller. aside from an APU build; whatever budget someone has for an AMD build you can also build an ~equal intel counterpart.

i'll gladly partake in a build thread to see how rusty my skills might be, its been a few months after spending a year on THG forums shutting up AMD fanboys.
Edited by looniam - 4/5/13 at 11:42pm
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Well imma gonna get a new AM3+ mATX board if moving to SR so hope for more offerings when the release of SR in nearing cheers.gif Seeing how the Vishera X6 is nicely priced i think i'd settle for an X6 SR if trends continue

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Well imma gonna get a new AM3+ mATX board if moving to SR so hope for more offerings when the release of SR in nearing cheers.gif Seeing how the Vishera X6 is nicely priced i think i'd settle for an X6 SR if trends continue

There isn't even a single mATX AM3+ 990FX board, the smallest they come is in ATX, the newest mATX AM3+ boards are still 880G.

All the newest AMD mATX board are all FM1/FM2 boards.
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Yeah its sad that amd does not have a proper matx board like intel does on the z77 platform, but there was one in the 890fx series and that was from msi, in all honesty not a big fan of msi boards, love their gpus but their motherboards are not preferred by me frown.gif
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Small boards require small VRMs, which are expensive. The problem is the TDP of the 8 core FX CPUs require at least 6+2 phase and preferably 8+2, something you won't find easily in mATX or smaller. Maybe once they get power consumption down we will start to see smaller boards.
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Small boards require small VRMs, which are expensive.

It's more like they requiere clever design and the use of high quality products, a price they are not willing to pay for a niche market.

Doable? It is doable. It's just they are lazy arses.
   
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Great hope it release soon because i am may be buying new pc later this year
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What are you guys talking about MATX boards and power requirements?

GA-78LMT-USB3

It's not a 9xx chipset but it still supports the FX series.

AMD do have an entire MATX line for current CPU's. It's the FM1 and FM2 sockets.
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