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How are those x16/x16 and x8/x8/x8/x8 boards working out? . .oh nevermind . . .

PCI-e 3.0 is useless when we have twice as many lanes anyway. tongue.gif

oh so a x16/x16x/16/x16 PCI 2.0 is greater than x8/x8/x8/x8 PCI 3.0?

interesting . . .

edit: you do know that PCI 3.0 is twice as fast as PCI 2.0 right? i mean never having it may affect your knowledge . .

Right. and 1155 only comes with X16 or x8/x8 3.0.

AMD comes with x16/x16 or x8/x8/x8/x8 2.0.

See how that works?
NF200 chip.. I'm running x16/x16 on the gunz.... even if it is a slight variant..
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I find it funny that those optimization notices are .gif, instead of pure text. Guess you can't easily find them that way. smile.gif

Their optimization notice is in 10 languages, and they have an entire page dedicated to it, and the link to it from their site is pretty clear, it's not hidden at all.
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/optimization-notice#opt-en

AMD & FTC should've negotiated better to get them to remove the bias from the compiler from the Vendor ID check.
http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49

Adding a notice changed nothing for the real problem of the compiler. ( we all know this ) But since Intel is complying with the requests made by the FTC, there's nothing that can be done. Intel can't, and won't get sued for the same thing again, the matter has already been settled.
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How are those x16/x16 and x8/x8/x8/x8 boards working out? . .oh nevermind . . .

PCI-e 3.0 is useless when we have twice as many lanes anyway. tongue.gif

oh so a x16/x16x/16/x16 PCI 2.0 is greater than x8/x8/x8/x8 PCI 3.0?

interesting . . .

edit: you do know that PCI 3.0 is twice as fast as PCI 2.0 right? i mean never having it may affect your knowledge . .

Right. and 1155 only comes with X16 or x8/x8 3.0.

AMD comes with x16/x16 or x8/x8/x8/x8 2.0.

See how that works?
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Ah yes, the PCI-e extender chip.

If only AMD had one that was capable of x16/x16 or x16/x8/x8 PCI-e 3.0, with an additional x16 2.0 on the side.

Oh wait. They do.

You'll notice I didn't use it to say that AMD actually has PCI-e 3.0 however, as the bandwidth from CPU to GPUs is still limited to the same number it was before the chip, and there's even extra latency between them.
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Seriously you are being retarded now. The track that gets moved to CD, the track that is officially released to the public. THE mastered track is done in 16 bit 44000/48000 audio. Either way, 16bit 44000khz audio is what the public gets. That's what I'm saying, what I've been saying, what you continue to ignore. Yeah, I get that studios use 24bit equipment, I think everyone reading this post by now gets it. The point is, what the public gets, what the average joe will find in abundance, what you fail to understand, is not the same thing. Christ, how many ways do I have to say that? It's the same message, over and over, your arguing pendantics which I've agreed upon. Still, you bring up the same point like a crazy man. Insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. At least I've changed my method of explanation, in hopes you'd understand.
To which I use the above statement again. Unless you can verify the source has used high quality audio, you should assume otherwise. Which would then make one believe the audio was probably done in 16bit 44/48khz and isn't as rich or full as the lossless codec would imply. Since you cannot create an accurate digital representation of something that doesn't exist ("lost" quality) by converting to a higher quality, you assume any lossless format that doesn't specify the audio source as ultimately coming from a low quality source. It's better to assume the worst case than to assume you aren't being lied too, which happens more than not. I didn't say those formats don't exist, those formats aren't around, people don't use those formats. Did I? I said the general format for audio is the lowest common denominator, again different wording same concept. Most people don't give a crap, so most produced media is made to that assumption.
okay genius, if the master track is 16 bit then how are there 24 bit FLAC files that are available to the public?? btw, it simple to verify the bit depth of an audio source; right click- properties or look at the media information in VLC player. . . no need to make any "assumptions." thumb.gif
Why Neil Young Hates MP3 — And What You Can Do About It
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You can buy FLACs at online warehouses like HDtracks, the largest store with the biggest catalog. The files are more expensive — a FLAC version of John Coltrane’s album A Love Supreme will cost you $18 on HDtracks, as opposed to $10 on iTunes. And they’re larger too. However, the FLAC version of the album is encoded at a resolution of 96kHz and 24 bits, which is higher quality than a CD and much, much higher than MP3s and AACs.
And if you go to George Harrison’s website, you can buy a copy of All Things Must Pass in 96kHz/24-bit FLAC for $30.
you know you are arguing what you think you know from your "extensive research" to what i have actually seen and experienced. have you ever walked into a "professional" recording studio? (i'll clarify that with i am not talking about some musician who jacked a mixing console in their macbook and used protoolsLE to record/edit) took a program at a community college on recording theory? actually been involved in producing a band's album? or have you spent a few hours googling and reading so now you think you're qualified to give a credible opinion?
the public doesn't want crappy quality mp3 files/CD but that the format its distributed as the record labels find it cost effective so thats what the public gets. as i said before, you seem as someone who believes itunes mp3s as acceptable sound quality and thats okay, i understand that disability, the hardest part of overcoming it is the denial a person who is suffering it faces. on a side note, yes i see you mention CDs and not MP3s but considering and at the risk of making a sweeping generalization (what the hell, you're doing that extensively so i'll give myself the same privilege just once here) a computer user would be more apt to download digital media which they can do from their desktop/laptop/handheld device than they would go out and purchase a CD. so an mp3 or FLAC file would more likely be listened to than a CD when talking about onboard DACs.
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No crap Sherlock, you don't say. Now, what did I say? Do you know anything about biology? The human perception? How our brains translate what we feel into what we perceive? I doubt it, otherwise you would have caught what I ment. Because of how inefficient our ears work, on a biological level, we have a VERY hard time determining quality audio at higher decibles. Hence a louder sound is perceived as "cleaner". If you are extremely nit picky and never boost your audio, you may know that as a falsity. I didn't say it made the sound better, now you are obviously treading in water you don't normally talk about. I said it is perceived as cleaner, perception and reality are usually different. Rule #1 is just that.
Ears ringing doesn't mean audio quality, it actually shows how little you know about the inner ear. You know what causes that ringing? Every time you hear ringing in your ears, you lose the ability (or greatly diminish) to pickup sounds on that frequency (inner ear hair damage). That's what it means. Their are only a few ways to do this, none of them are related to crappy audio. If you feel that is a misjudgment or I'm wrong, go research tinnitus and come back. Once you've understood that you damaged your ears, either intentionally or unintentionally and not because of "crappy" audio. Well, maybe just maybe I've informed somebody of something insightful.
I won't argue you can't do anything with a bad signal, this wasn't really about that. I was saying, the quality of audio a consumer is required to play effects how companies manufacture audio chipsets. If you get into consumer based onboard solutions, you won't find anything that different or meaningfully different to go "oh, yeah, of course that costs more". If you are that into your audio, you know better. The quality of an audio chipset at consumer pricing for onboard solutions, unless you get an obviously marketed "enthusiast" part is going to vary little. I skewed the 5.1 and 2.0 crap, that was life.


i understand what you are saying but you're not understanding what i am saying. thats how i am able to say no, thats wrong.

when you raise the volume level of noise it simply makes the noise louder, continuously saying that you can raise the volume level because our ears cannot perceive higher frequencies to "clean up" a sound is entirely incorrect. the human ear is more sensitive to higher frequencies. a sound @ 40db of 8Khz will be louder than a sound of 80Mhz @ the same 40db. that is what leads to the temporary ringing of your ears after a concert, not tinnus which is from constant exposure to high frequencies to the point that it causes phycial damage. i don't need google for that, thank you very much - i have seen enough audio engineers have to "retire" because of blown out ears and seen many more that should have.
its funny how you make a statement of what i already said but yet still want to disagree and you go off into incorrect information; such as lumping biology with psychology. ok, apparently you may know a sound wave hits the eardrum after going down the ear canal and then, to make it short here, vibrates the hairs inside the cochlea which the auditory nerves send the signal to the brain; thats biology. what happens next is psychology - how those signals from the auditory nerves is consciously interpreted in the brain; thats perception. and how we perceive things is how we feel. os you;re little hearing- feeling- perception is slightly backwards. but i am believing you are not aware that we don't just hear with our ears to perceive our "listening experience" and our physical reaction to it. if you don't know, that is called psychoacoustics. when you go to a club, most of what you hear will have higher frequencies because that causes your brain to tense your muscles and you'll feel the need to move or dance. when you go to a jazz concert the lower frequency of the sax will relax your muscles and you'll feel at ease . . now what water am i treading?

sorry but without fully and correctly understanding how and what we hear you can't make a reasonable determination and you're only telling half the story.

so lets see, onboard chips don't need to be more than 16 bit because thats the quality the consumer listens to?
nope there a many higher quality option available.
it doesn't matter that the DAC lacks the quality because the consumer can just increase the volume?
nope. increasing the volume intensifies the lower quality.
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And Intel is overkill for most gaming, hence the comparison. You don't really see 1k AMD chips, but you see 1k intel chips. Desktop chips, so yeah it's apt. You can go for an Intel solution that you may NEVER need. You can buy the Titan in which you may NEVER need. That was why I went that route, sorry if it's not up to par with your analogies. I never said Intel had cheap solutions, just ment to give a jab at the fact they have some interesting solutions for lack of a better word.

ah hey mate, this was never about $1k intel chips. this is about the prices of intel motherboards. so it really looks like you just want to have an argument for what? you just looking for an argument with someone on an AMD thread that you think prefers intel? so you want to conjure up a debate and try to prove them wrong on a non issue so it validates your choice?

it ok to be human, i am just asking for some honesty. because this is seemly like when some bible thumpers knock on my door and they tell me the truth is what they read and i tell them no the truth is what you live.
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Ah yes, the PCI-e extender chip.

If only AMD had one that was capable of x16/x16 or x16/x8/x8 PCI-e 3.0, with an additional x16 2.0 on the side.

Oh wait. They do.

You'll notice I didn't use it to say that AMD actually has PCI-e 3.0 however, as the bandwidth from CPU to GPUs is still limited to the same number it was before the chip, and there's even extra latency between them.



*cough* cough* cough* cpu bottleneck *cough* cough* cough*
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What are you guys talking about MATX boards and power requirements?

GA-78LMT-USB3

It's not a 9xx chipset but it still supports the FX series.
Only partially; the 760G has a 4400MT/s HT link, 4+1 power phase and supports up to 1333mhz memory. Not really ideal for an FX processor.



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FM1/FM2 are for APU's not CPU's....
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I'm not arguing about what I've googled, had friends do custom studio work. I've had other friends do real dj work. Helped set up concerts on the side to full blown shows that raked in 500+ people (pretty decent for 5 days prep and location). Yeah, I've played with some pretty fun equipment, first hand.

As for 24bit FLAC, you can't convert a 16bit audio file to a 24bit audio file? Hmm, that's a new concept.

Loudness, I said it was a way to help perception, you still argue over pedantics. Get over it, quit being a lil' baby bout it. While our ears are more sensitive to the higher frequencies, they aren't as efficient at the higher decidable levels. Quit going on about what frequencies we can hear, never argued that. I'm aware of what range humans can detect, just said it isn't so good when the decibel level gets turned up (assuming you are using the same music - so the same frequencies are going to apply). That's not lumping biology with psych, that's pure psych. Though it's more a limitation of what we can do, would explain but I don't need too. Take that as is or take it as psychology lies, I don't give a rats. You sound set in your ways, so either way (if I'm right or wrong) you are not going to change. I think that's solid given the fact I've repeatedly said decibels and you keep going on about frequency. Why? I don't know.

Temporary ringing in your ears IS tinnitus. That's the whole point of you not understanding. I'm just gonna wiki it cause I don't care to go find a medical source to back me up atm. It should suffice though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus
"Tinnitus /ˈtɪnɪtəs/; from the Latin word tinnītus meaning "ringing" is the perception of sound within the human ear not including the perception of sound outside the ear."

It doesn't have to be long term, nor is it required to be short term. It's a ringing in the ears (more so a noise) that isn't herd outside of the ear. It can be triggered multiple ways, isn't always a sign of hearing loss but generally isn't considered a good sign. If you have an issue with how we've defined that ringing in your ears, well go call the medical community. I think they might be able to hear your phone call, who knows.

For your psycho-acoustics, predominantly dance music is loaded with lower frequencies. It's not nearly as frequency specific as implied, it's also BPM related. Though their are a ton of factors when you get into that, BPM, what noises (frequencies), lighting ect.... That's another discussion, one for which I don't care to get into. I can only say from my experiences, you can only say from yours. Regardless if we combined our experiences we can only speak for a small percentage of people. It's hard to make assumptions like that due to diversity.

Anyways, earlier in my posts I said DVDs run 24bit sound. If you paid attention that is, I've never said consumers only need 16bit audio. I said what they will find musically will predominantly be 16bit. Other formats exist, as well as other types of media have higher rates (DVD being 24bit). If you asked me, I would say all they need to process is 24bit at 44/48khz and that's it. Nothing higher is really worth it unless you want to go out of your way to find audio sources higher than that. Which only an audiophile is going to do. If they are going that route, chances are they are going to not be using onboard sound.

Which leads me back to my original statement, hardware manufacturers have no intentions of creating the common DAC/DSP in a way that makes one "better" than the other in any huge way. The argument was motherboard pricing, when we got into audio and you saying how that affects pricing. As to where I said yes, it does as it's a feature and I look to see if a board has 7.1/5.1 ect... That's when I skewed the 5.1/2.0 thing in which I ment to say if features are the same (such as 5.1 or 2.0) the chips should sound the same. With reasonable margins of error, in which one chip might sound lesser than another. Since it's going to fall into a margin of error, I'm not going to say that motherboard used a better audio chipset. So it's not really a feature that raises price, with the exception of a chip supporting 7.1/5.1 and so forth.

Everything else you've stated about the meaning of what I wrote, is something your head conjured up to keep yourself sane. Those meanings have been created by you, fully by you, even though I've tried to correct them. So it wouldn't be a surprise if you "schooled" people before, chances are they got tired of you putting words in their mouths.

REGARDLESS of that, Intel boards are generally more expensive. Not by much, just in general they are by some amount.
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This has got to be the most TL;DR Off Topic discussion EVER on OCN.

Let me remind you guys of the Thread Title.

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Ah yes, the PCI-e extender chip.

If only AMD had one that was capable of x16/x16 or x16/x8/x8 PCI-e 3.0, with an additional x16 2.0 on the side.

Oh wait. They do.

You'll notice I didn't use it to say that AMD actually has PCI-e 3.0 however, as the bandwidth from CPU to GPUs is still limited to the same number it was before the chip, and there's even extra latency between them.

*cough* cough* cough* cpu bottleneck *cough* cough* cough*
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I like how you post completely irrelevant information. Read what was being debated.

Besides, if you can afford Quad-Fire/SLI, you can afford SB-e.
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It's more like they requiere clever design and the use of high quality products, a price they are not willing to pay for a niche market.

Doable? It is doable. It's just they are lazy arses.

Or maybe, just maybe, there's no significant money to be made there, which is why there are no 990FX mATX boards.
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