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I'm watching..and waiting smile.gif Tbh..I think AMD blowing smoke to sap Haswell sales;Very timely this.
Bulldozer was supposed to release late 2010;See how that went? rolleyes.gif
If they do produce something good this year,It's a win-win for everybody thumb.gif
Pardon my skepticism,however. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Schmuckley - 3/31/13 at 7:07pm
 
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Originally Posted by Firehawk View Post

I really hope AMD manage a 30% boost to be really competitive again. The scale has been tipped Intel's way long enough.

That being said, SR needs to be released with a new socket and chipset. The AM3 platform has had a good life but its time for something more up to date. As it is motherboard manufacturers have no reason to make new boards. Only one (ASUS) added support for PCI-E 3.0, and that was through extra chips on the board.

They need a new chipset that fully supports PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0, SATA 3.0, SLI and CrossfireX.....pretty much everything you can get on an Intel board. Sure you can get most of those features now, but add-on chips don't normally function as well as native chipset, and they use PCI-E lanes to do so.

And just to rebuff the inevitable argument that PCI-E 3.0 isn't needed for today's graphics cards, I respond that by the time we see a consumer level SR chip the next gen video cards will be out too, and they will very likely saturate a PCI-E 2 bus, so then it will matter.

out of your list of this, that amd dosent have, only one is pci-e 3. Most of that stuff you can find on any 990 chipset.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4455#ov
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According to the road map in the OP it looks like excavator would be a massive improvement over steamroller, could be 30%+ performance increase but it's only speculation.Would really be nice to see AMD finaly competing with intel head to head and not only on specific benchmarks.
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Originally Posted by Broseidon View Post

I think Steamroller outperforming Haswell is a little bit too optimistic, to be honest..

Really, hoping Steamroller will outperform Ivy Bridge is too optimistic.

Anyhow, I seriously doubt that they'll have any deliverable SR-based products at any point in 2013. This seems more like a highly-optimistic presentation devised largely to try to keep more investors from fleeing and thus maintain access to capital markets.
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@ sdlvx , they'd beat Intel if HSA catches on.

GPGPU is big. Xeon Phi / Nvidia Tesla anyone?

Unlike AMD64, they are setting up the industry connections before HSA gets adopted ,unlike 64 bit which was generally just a number on the CPU until 64 bit apps became common place. Hardware without the software to support it is the limiting factor.

Indeed, if HSA is all its hyped up to be I can see AMD getting some big gains from it...I mean, CUDA has a massive lead but HSA has the advantage of being easier to program for afaik, which means that even if you have people learning CUDA in schools now, they'll have to learn HSA if the current industry picks it up.
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Originally Posted by Kyronn94 View Post

If this is true, then AMD must have great confidence in its performance.

I thought that they weren't planning on releasing Steamroller until mid to late 2014?

SR was meant to be 2013, then it was apparently delayed to 2014 but now we're hearing that it's back to 2013.
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But Intel could simply throw in an extra pair of cores, and match/beat AMD at the multi-threading game. i5s with four cores + HT, LGA 1xxx i7s with six cores, LGA 2011 i7s with eight cores.


Regarding the HSA, Intel has an answer to that: Intel Xeon Phi

The only issue is that the Intel Xeon Phi is very expensive, it would take a while to successfully combine it with regular CPUs, and I don't think many software developers are interested in the Intel Xeon Phi given the lack of any news about it.

Yes, but then Intel forgoes its power efficiency lead...More cores means more transistors, larger costs, etc for Intel, and besides...They're concentrating on their IGP right now.

The Xeon Phi, as evidenced by the Xeon name, is for servers...AMDs HSA is for everything, servers, laptops, desktops, workstations, etc.
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If they re-negotiate that X86-64 cross licensing agreement AMD either have to go ARM or hand over HSA for sharing, as long as AMD's main business is x86 Intel can get whatever new AMD Tech they want and same goes for Intel.

AMD owns x86-64, it's mainly the extra instructions like SSE3, SSE4, etc that AMD licenses from Intel now I believe, 32bit compatibility may come under it but I was under the impression that 64bit changed a lot and chips don't function exactly as they did when 32bit was normal, even in 32bit mode.
Most likely they'll get HSA but give something back to AMD in return,
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Originally Posted by Broseidon View Post

I think Steamroller outperforming Haswell is a little bit too optimistic, to be honest..

but one can hope.

It definitely is, I can see SR maybe competing with Ivy/Sandy for most tasks but only Haswell for tasks that use 8 cores, much like FX-*3*0 vs IB now.
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Really, hoping Steamroller will outperform Ivy Bridge is too optimistic.

A lot of OCN forgets this, but AMD already matches Ivy Bridge in some tasks...It'll beat it in some tasks, maybe match in others and most likely just be a heck of a lot closer in most.
    
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Can't wait for steamroller so I can finally upgrade good or bad. I hope its going to be as good as they are predicting, but after the last few big release I'm not holding my breath.
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if the steamroller flagship processor can outperform my 2500k, I know what I'll be upgrading too...
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if the steamroller flagship processor can outperform my 2500k, I know what I'll be upgrading too...

The Haswell i5-4670K?
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if the steamroller flagship processor can outperform my 2500k, I know what I'll be upgrading too...

The Haswell i5-4670K?

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The Haswell i5-4670K?

Just wow.
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