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Cities XL Platinum (2013) only uses one core, despite 3 years of support. Skyrim and Starcraft 2 only support dual-cores. Planetside 2 is also a CPU hog.
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But how many people need the absolute best performance in singled threaded apps? The fact remains Intel is more expensive. I would not say Intel is the better deal. It is very difficult to distinguish an AMD system from an Intel one until you start looking at benchmarks or get into 120hz monitors. Other than that, both are capable cpus that will do anything the average user needs. If more people knew about AMD and Intel wasn't pulling shenanigans doing everything they could to keep AMD from succeeding, then I guarantee you more people would have AMD cpus. If anything, Intel should be the niche market since they cater more to the e-peen crowd.

Software will not always favor one cpu over the other, something will change. Anyone who has been into computers for the past decade would know that much. 90% of games are single threaded?? Where did you find that statistic? I have yet to see any game released in the last 4 years (excluding WoW) being single threaded. Even the modern MMO's use more than one thread. Yes AMD released the BD arch early but they had to in order to get the hardware out there for developers. If the hardware isn't accessible to developers, then they can't develop anything for it. Multi threaded software is the future. If it were not, then we would all still be running P4's and Athlons.

Let me turn that one around for you, how many people need the best performance in multithreaded app right now? and out of those people how many can't fit a i7 in their budget?

I personally transcode 2 hour of video from mkv to mp4 a month,my current 3770K takes 8 minute to do that in Handbrake, my old 3570K takes 10 minute, the time saving is very limited to say the least. If I do that much video encoding everyday I might care a bit more but for now it is not really making a real big difference, had I paid $330 for my 3770K it would have been a big waste(I pais $229 at a microcenter), and if I spent my money on a 8350 &AM3+ board my 10 hour a week of SC2 gaming experience won't be as good, which matters to me a lot more than whether I can save 2 minute of encoding time a month.

As far as the "when most app/games become so multithreaded optimized that AMD lay waste to Intel i5s" agrument, my counter is that " we cross that bridge when we get there". That moment is certainly not now, and when it happens most people wouldn't be using either 3570K or 8350, they will be using newer processors then(and it is we might have quad core i5 with HT & hexcore i7s then).
Edited by sherlock - 4/7/13 at 2:13pm
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I want AMD to do well. I really do...but why do they continue to try? There is no real reason to buy AMD right now unless you have an AM3 socket board and want an upgrade to squeeze a bit more speed out of it. Why anyone would build brand new AMD systems outside of consumer level APU systems boggles my mind.

And no, I'm not a fanboy. If AMD were to release a faster processor than what intel had, I'd be using that.
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I want AMD to do well. I really do...but why do they continue to try? There is no real reason to buy AMD right now unless you have an AM3 socket board and want an upgrade to squeeze a bit more speed out of it. Why anyone would build brand new AMD systems outside of consumer level APU systems boggles my mind.

And no, I'm not a fanboy. If AMD were to release a faster processor than what intel had, I'd be using that.

Remember, improving power efficiency at the low end can also be scaled up for greater performance as well.

The FX-6300 is extremely competitive at its price, competing against locked i3s and i5s. There is a market for the FX-8320 and 8350 as well, for those people that work with highly threaded programs but don't want to spend the money on a 3770 or 3770k.

And then there are the people that just want an AMD system to tinker with, or biased for AMD. Now, there are those that like simple overclocking (Intel is basically herp derp bump multi, herp derp bump vcore), but there are those that enjoy a challenge, and from what I hear, there are lots of settings you can tinker with to optimize overclocks.
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Let me turn that one around for you, how many people need the best performance in multithreaded app right now? and out of those people how many can't fit a i7 in their budget?

I personally transcode 2 hour of video from mkv to mp4 a month,my current 3770K takes 8 minute to do that in Handbrake, my old 3570K takes 10 minute, the time saving is very limited to say the least. If I do that much video encoding everyday I might care a bit more but for now it is not really making a real big difference, had I paid $330 for my 3770K it would have been a big waste(I pais $229 at a microcenter), and if I spent my money on a 8350 &AM3+ board my 10 hour a week of SC2 gaming experience won't be as good, which matters to me a lot more than whether I can save 2 minute of encoding time a month.

As far as the "when most app/games become so multithreaded optimized that AMD lay waste to Intel i5s" agrument, my counter is that " we cross that bridge when we get there". That moment is certainly not now, and when it happens most people wouldn't be using either 3570K or 8350, they will be using newer processors then(and it is we might have quad core i5 with HT & hexcore i7s then).

Very few. Also, not everyone lives near an MC so that's out the window. Fact is both are capable cpus. Both will do what any average user needs. AMD is cheaper.
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I want AMD to do well. I really do...but why do they continue to try? There is no real reason to buy AMD right now unless you have an AM3 socket board and want an upgrade to squeeze a bit more speed out of it. Why anyone would build brand new AMD systems outside of consumer level APU systems boggles my mind.

And no, I'm not a fanboy. If AMD were to release a faster processor than what intel had, I'd be using that.

You bring up a good point that even the APU are sufficient for the average user. Why go with an FX cpu when an APU will do most things just as well and throw in an integrated gpu. My next system will likely be an APU. Quad core i5's with HT are unlikely. Intel is in this business to make money. They proved that when they started offering those bogus locked multiplier cpus.
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Quad core i5's with HT are unlikely. Intel is in this business to make money. They proved that when they started offering those bogus locked multiplier cpus.

And replaced integrated heatspreader with a cheaper thermal paste sandwich. There was a tech website that tracked AMD's and Intel's changes in price over the years. AMD's CPUs' price constantly went down. Intel's was much more stable except for the low-end CPU performance segments where AMD attempted to shoehorn into through lowered pricing.
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. Quad core i5's with HT are unlikely. Intel is in this business to make money. They proved that when they started offering those bogus locked multiplier cpus.

Intel is in the business of making money for sure, but what tells you i5 won't be quad core with HT in the future when mainstream i7 hexcore are cheap enough (for Intel's margins to work out) to produce with Intel's lead in fabrication technology? Again that will only happen if most things become multithread optmizied in the future.

AMD is in the business to make money as well, they just aren't that good at it when compared to Intel. AMD's CPUs are sold at a lower price (which doesn't mean that they are cheaper to produce) , because they won't sell as well if they were priced higher.
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And replaced integrated heatspreader with a cheaper thermal paste sandwich. There was a tech website that tracked AMD's and Intel's changes in price over the years. AMD's CPUs' price constantly went down. Intel's was much more stable except for the low-end CPU performance segments where AMD attempted to shoehorn into through lowered pricing.

AMD's performance has also gone down, compared to Intel's, hence the price also went down as they have to compete on a price / performance basis.

Surely you remember this?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/athlon-64-fx,1067-4.html

You gotta look at why their price has gone down so much, if they could still have $1000 cpu's, they most certainly would sell them to "enthusiasts". When AMD was able to sell $1000 CPU's, they most certainly did.
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While I agree that performance for both brands is "good enough", AMD is making huge changes in order to bring their performance up to Intel's level. If they're going to compete in the low-end/mainstream market, they can't just be cheaper. Performance matters at all price points, even the average consumer wants a fast computing experience.
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Steamroller will only be Sandy Bridge performance if that...

Depends on what metric you're looking at. If you're looking at multithreaded, it is already at Sandy Bridge's level, and sometimes catches up to Ivy Bridge depending on the program.

If you're looking at single-threaded, yes, they're still significantly behind, and they'll at best match SB or IB in single-threaded performance. However, if they do match SB in single-threaded performance, that means their 8-core part will come extremely close to 6-core SB-E and IB-E, if not surpassing them.
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