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I expect in the next 1 to 2 years, 8-core AMD processors will be better for games than Intel parts, mainly because games will be optimized to use all 8 cores. We can thank the new consoles for that. So, if they improve IPC as well, this can be a win-win situation.
    
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Originally Posted by John-117 View Post

I expect in the next 1 to 2 years, 8-core AMD processors will be better for games than Intel parts, mainly because games will be optimized to use all 8 cores. We can thank the new consoles for that. So, if they improve IPC as well, this can be a win-win situation.

It's all too much like the Q6600 vs the E8400.

And it comes with the same twist: most of the people who bought the Q6600 upgraded to the Core i7 before the E8400 became unusable.
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if the steamroller flagship processor can outperform my 2500k, I know what I'll be upgrading too...

If it does beat it, it'd be by as much as IB...AMD already offers "good enough" performance for most games (Despite what half of OCN would say, the difference is tiny for most games and at real world settings) and their 8 core performance is outstanding. (Sometimes coming up to i7 level for a lower price)
    
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I expect in the next 1 to 2 years, 8-core AMD processors will be better for games than Intel parts, mainly because games will be optimized to use all 8 cores. We can thank the new consoles for that. So, if they improve IPC as well, this can be a win-win situation.

It's all too much like the Q6600 vs the E8400.

And it comes with the same twist: most of the people who bought the Q6600 upgraded to the Core i7 before the E8400 became unusable.

This is me. I was deciding between Q6600 and E8400 and decided 2 stronger cores was better than 4 weaker cores at the time and I think it was the right decision. Didn't upgrade until about 8 months ago and went with a full-blown i5-3570k + GTX 670 build. I know those with Q6600 upgraded way before I did.
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If it does beat it, it'd be by as much as IB...AMD already offers "good enough" performance for most games (Despite what half of OCN would say, the difference is tiny for most games and at real world settings) and their 8 core performance is outstanding. (Sometimes coming up to i7 level for a lower price)

Thing is most of OCN spend a lot more time gaming than encoding/compressing files, thus gaming performance differences gets exaggerated amount of attention and encoding/compression performance edges gets brushed aside.

My new 3770K encodes significantly faster than my old 3570K in handbrake, but I encode a max of 2hr of 720p videos a week(10 min for 3770K, 12 min for 3570K) so realistically it only saves me 8 minute a month. If I owned a 8350 I'd get the same level of encoding time saving, but my 6-10hr a week of Starcraft 2 gaming would suffer in FPS because the lower IPC and SC2 being a dual core optimized game.
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Not listening to a word these guys say anymore. I hope you all remember how they said Bulldozer would have a higher IPS than Thuban... How'd that pan out again?

When it's released I'll read Anand and see how they did.
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If SR is 30% better then BD and at least 10-15% better then PD, and the 8550 is a Deca-Core, looks like i will be saying Good-Bye to Intel... wink.gif Least until "Skyline" hits with 8 CORES @ 4.2Ghz and 22MB L3 Cache.

Or i might go FX-8350 when they go under $150 after SR drops...decisions, decisions.... biggrin.gif
 
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It's all too much like the Q6600 vs the E8400.

And it comes with the same twist: most of the people who bought the Q6600 upgraded to the Core i7 before the E8400 became unusable.

Things are way, way different this time.

Next gen console CPUs are just like PCs, except there's basically "MOAR COARS". AMD is, quite honestly, humiliating Intel and Nvidia when it comes to gaming promotion/marketing right now.

The only real time we've had a very PC-like popular console was the first XBox, with that Celeron type CPU and basic Nvidia GPU. But the thing is that that wasn't pushing for anything different than what we had on PC at the time. One CPU core that's nothing special compared to PC, very similar GPU as PC. PS2 was out in left field doing some pretty different things at the time and they still were with PS3.

Now, we basically have AMD in the game, having basically an architecture that's weak in single thread and strong in multi, and games that are designed for strong(ish) single thread.

And they've just forced game developers to embrace 8 weak x86 cores by grabbing PS4 (and probably 720) CPUs.

To be honest, with AMD making these moves Intel is probably going to change their roadmap and release 6 core mainstream chips, because there's already times when 3570k (which is price equal to FX 8350) is losing by more than 10% (some Crysis 3 benchmarks).

If you slap an extra 15% on FX 8350 if games end up looking like C3, 4 core Haswell with no HT is going to get burried looking at the Tom's preview by same price 8 core Steamroller.

I think it definitely is possible Steamroller will surprise and beat Intel in gaming, and a lot of it's going to be because of the software.

But, as I said earlier, even if AMD is superior with hardware quality they're still going to not dominate the market. Intel will just add more cores for less money or something.

And as for Intel joining HSA, there's no way. Not after the Bapco fiasco would anyone in HSA want Intel to show up and have any sort of power over anything. That, and their iGPUs blow and even if Intel supported HSA/OpenCL/etc, there's no way they'd beat GCN in compute.
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Things are way, way different this time.

Next gen console CPUs are just like PCs, except there's basically "MOAR COARS". AMD is, quite honestly, humiliating Intel and Nvidia when it comes to gaming promotion/marketing right now.

The only real time we've had a very PC-like popular console was the first XBox, with that Celeron type CPU and basic Nvidia GPU. But the thing is that that wasn't pushing for anything different than what we had on PC at the time. One CPU core that's nothing special compared to PC, very similar GPU as PC. PS2 was out in left field doing some pretty different things at the time and they still were with PS3.

Now, we basically have AMD in the game, having basically an architecture that's weak in single thread and strong in multi, and games that are designed for strong(ish) single thread.

And they've just forced game developers to embrace 8 weak x86 cores by grabbing PS4 (and probably 720) CPUs.

To be honest, with AMD making these moves Intel is probably going to change their roadmap and release 6 core mainstream chips, because there's already times when 3570k (which is price equal to FX 8350) is losing by more than 10% (some Crysis 3 benchmarks).

If you slap an extra 15% on FX 8350 if games end up looking like C3, 4 core Haswell with no HT is going to get burried looking at the Tom's preview by same price 8 core Steamroller.

I think it definitely is possible Steamroller will surprise and beat Intel in gaming, and a lot of it's going to be because of the software.

But, as I said earlier, even if AMD is superior with hardware quality they're still going to not dominate the market. Intel will just add more cores for less money or something.

And as for Intel joining HSA, there's no way. Not after the Bapco fiasco would anyone in HSA want Intel to show up and have any sort of power over anything. That, and their iGPUs blow and even if Intel supported HSA/OpenCL/etc, there's no way they'd beat GCN in compute.

Firstly the integrated HD gpus are starting to get pretty beefy, People just won't get out of the stigma "INTEL IGP = CRAP" That being said they aren't a match for AMd's Gcn YET, keyword, YET, ANother few years of intels 40-50% performance leaps in igp and it may be a problem


IF this is a decacore 8550 10 cores 4ghz? i'll personaly fly down and get myself one, Hug it squeeze it kiss it, then overclock it's balls off and go to town on people.
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